Off Topic Political Debate

I am sure there will always be sections of the community like this... and they will need the support of society....

 

Of course Yorkie, but government does not seem to have the answers very often. Sometimes it is the charities that do the most to help. It is seen here with the food banks that are run by volunteers and people are very happy to donate provisions to them. Most of them have their roots in the churches and despite the decline in numbers they still faithfully do what they believe they are called to do. Maybe giving something of your own free will is different to being taxed and letting others choose how to spend your money.

 

it's very difficult isn't it? You can provide as many opportunities as you like for people to flourish but people will always fall through the cracks and need support. Sure there are people who abuse it but so many more who don't.

 

Oh and on the charity bit I fully agree. I'll happily give so long as I know it's going to Catholics or Watford fans <gigantic tongue in cheek smiley>

 

Due to the pressures caused by immigration, legal or otherwise, most governments are tightening their rules on social payments to recipients that have clearly paid into the system for a qualifying number of years. Although this logical, and debatably desirable, it will result in many cases of non conformity amongst some minority groups.

However it should not be so difficult to devise a safety net for genuine cases.

As a debating point is it fair that some travellers, and their dependants, may receive a variety of benefits whilst declining to contribute into the system?.

 

I am not sure if you mean immigrants/travelling workers from overseas or roma people.

However the evidence is clear that a significantly higher % per capita of British nationals abuse the welfare system than workers from overseas.


There will always be people who seek to abuse the system, their will always be a criminal element in larger society, just as there will always be people who abuse the tax system.

 

No, my point is 'are we happy to subsidise folk who, for whatever reasons, do not want to contribute into the pot'?

 

the answer is no from me of course..... but the contribution does not have to be economic... and if they are unable to we have to support them

(Note the Govt cutting the IP living allowance that has helped so many disabled people )

 

This summarises it well:


From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

 

It is not ok but i'm afraid life is not fair to the majority of the world's population including the British taxpayer frmo time to time. I am sure you would agree.

 

I guess you mean the bankers who speculate - lose, and are then bailed out with public money. Or do you mean the richest 1% of the UK. who own as much as the poorest 55% ? Or maybe the latest batch of Royal babies ? None of which groups want to (or do) contribute into the pot. If so I wholeheartedly agree with you (a statement you will not often see on here !).

 

The highest paid 3,00 people in the UK pay more income tax than the bottom 9 million. It was the Blair/Brown government that gave licence to the banks to proliferate then bailed them out with our cash.

 

1) and so they should as their income dictates their tax payments. DO you agree with that or not?
2) and the Tory opposition agreed with this bail out.... and their policy on banks was virtually the same. Do you agree with that or not?

 

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"£7.2bn to be raised from clampdown on tax avoidance and tax evasion with HMRC budget increased by £750m"

Now I doubt anyopne will have an issue with this - let's just hope that they go after everyone with equal vigour and don't focus efforts on the self employed and small businesses just because it may be easier.

 

At first glance it seems an excellent overall budget although personally the changes in dividends will result in a much higher tax payment. He has certainly reinforced his 'all in this together' policy.

 

Unless you're an MP

 

Silly meaningless slogan.
I suppose it refers to companies keeping more of its own profits to invest in jobs, plant and machinery etc and to encourage investment into this country. The UK has recently created more jobs than the rest of the EU.

Political debates should have more substance than nonsensical propaganda.

 

Either this is bullshit, or, more likely, your dismissal of it is bullshit!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/corporate-welfare-a-93bn-handshake

 

Can we get down to the apparent `facts`about job creation in the UK. Many of these 'jobs' are due to a change in job classification from the public to the private sector and are thus not 'created' jobs. Many more have been forced to become self employed or freelance in jobs like cleaning or decorating where they are simply filing their tax returns as 'self employed'. Many more are on government payed training schemes and are therefore no longer on the list as unemployed. If you add to this whole swathes of zero contract workers, call centre workers and fruit pickers this is what your 'job creation' amounts to. Can you produce reliable evidence for your claim that the UK is doing so much better than the rest of Europe before stating it as fact. Also, how much of their profits do these 'often multi national' firms actually reinvest in the UK ? You need to be backing your own assumptions up with something concrete before making fun of other peoples arguments.