Off Topic Political Debate

The Tories were elected with overwhelmingly the highest number of MP's. This built on the last election where they also had the highest number. When the unfair boundary changes are made it will give the Tories another 20 seats. As the Tories are concentrating on capturing the centre ground there is no place for the liberals or indeed Labour. Labour will have to move further left which will make them unelectable as everybody except you has worked out.

The lefty movement in Scotland will die a death once the population realises the SNP stand for high taxes and big expensive government. Hopefully Cameron calls their bluff and gives them total financial responsibly which they will no doubt screw up fairly quickly.

 

I don't have the energy to bother trying to debate any of that, it's just nonsense.

 

As its all true I can see why you are struggling.

 

It is not true - it is just your opinion.

 

Don't forget that Cameron voted for the Iraq war and Miliband voted against.

 

Lets see how it works out.

You cannot disagree regarding the number of Tory MP's
You cannot disagree that boundary changes will benefit the Tories
You cannot disagree the Tories are courting the working / middle classes.

The SNP want total fiscal autonomy which would give them a big financial black hole. The population of Scotland do not appreciate the dangers of following an anti austerity programme although they only have to look to France to see how ineffective it is.

 

Stop using France as an example every few posts to attempt to prove your points, it's simply not true.

Our growth stats aren't as accurate as the Tories claim. The financial sector may have picked up before the crash, but you're attempting to paint France's economy as crippled, when the opposite is actually true.

As mentioned previously, I grew up there, my family live and work there and I'm still in touch with lots of my friends, we should aspire to be more like France.

Whatever happens to Scotland is their choice, and it has nothing to do with 'lefties'

 

Forth quarter of 2014 France's unemployment rate highest for 16 years. Deeply unpopular government, nation of strikers, paralysed by economic failure and unwilling to change. The left agenda has failed.

Scotland's choice is their business unless the UK is called on to financially rescue them when their experiment fails.

 

Do you ever read what other people post or do you just jump straight into an 'anti-left' rant?

 

Unemployment rate for under 25's in France is 25% - I doubt if they would agree with your analysis.

 

And it's about 20% in the UK.

Your point is?

 

The British rate of unemployment for under 25s is the highest it has been for 20 years.

 

14%

 

I see McCluskey is threatening to withdraw funding to the Labour Party if they fail to pick 'his man'. What a state to be in beholden to such a small interest group.

 

In 5 years time the threat that a successful SNP will look for another referendum will be even higher so I am not sure I buy the argument that they will not be seen / used as bogeymen again - whatever the truth. A party that does not wish the UK to exist will always struggle to find allies to its cause. In any event Scotland will be red or yellow not blue so the Tories will presume no seats there and calculate accordingly.
The EU referendum will be behind us so Tory (and Labour) divisions on this will no longer be relevant. The Tories are a power hungry machine and whatever the outcome on Europe the party will unite to win again.
We seem to have moved away from one or two term governments. Since Churchill came to power in 1951 the Tories won 3 in a row; then Labour 2; Tory 1 and Labour 1; then Tory 3; Labour3 and so perhaps history of the last 60 years shows that 1 or 3 terms is the norm.
It will probably come down to the economy again. If Cameron can show several years' growth, low inflation and unemployment and after several years growth a feel good factor that was missing this time (so nearly cost the Tories a victory) there is every probability of a third term. However if they fail to reduce debt and grow the economy it could be more difficult for them.

 

If the Tories cannot grow the economy and reduce the debt, god help us because there is no other viable alternative as the electorate has just decided. They are certainly our best chance.

 

The SNP has just lost a referendum and having another one soon is not in the interests of those wanting independence unless Britain votes to leave the EU and Scotland doesn't - in this latter case (and presuming that the SNP has over 50% in the Scottish elections) then they would probably leave without a referendum and be allowed to stay in the EU as the 'remaining' part of the UK. I believe that those MPs who have taken Westminster seats, representing UK constituencies are not necessarily working for the 'break up' of the UK but rather a looser federal structure in which Scotland's needs are better looked after.. Worth remembering that the leader of the SNP in Westminster, Angus Robertson, is actually English by birth. The next electoral term is a chance to make good on some of the promises which were made to Scotland before the referendum, to work for reconciliation and to demonstrate that they were right to stay in the Union. This will not happen if we classify the SNP as the demon within our midst.

 

I agree with that at the moment. However if they screw up Europe - the Referendum was forced on them and they are not easy with renegotiation or the ensuing vote. If the UK pulls out of Europe our economy will suffer meltdown; the Scots would also have a valid case for a new referendum of their own unless they too voted anti EU - which is unlikley. In those circumstances the Tories will be decimated.

 

Constitutionally I have to disagree with both your assertion that if SNP have over 50% in the Scottish elections they could leave without a referendum. The Scottish Parliament has no such power. It might give them a good moral case but the UK can only be ended by the UK. As I said before though I would expect them to hold and win a referendum given time. Secondly there is no way Soctland will be able to claim that IT is the UK - that could only happen if England, Wales and Northern Ireland seceded from the UK. Hence Scotland would have to apply for membership. This was all debated last year -let's not re-run that one or Smurf will join in again.
Of course the SNP in Westminster can only work for better terms - however the SNP are an Independence Party and that is their ultimate goal.
The SNP are no demon but the UK does not work with three of the four entities making it up having a Parliament and England not having one. That will come.

 

Give this a read, it's honestly worth it.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion

There are lots of pictures too so you should find it manageable