Off Topic Political Debate

Wrong...

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Oh.. Frenchie it is PC to be Islamaphobic.. Obviously as all the gutter press say so..

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This close result will make the government ensure Brexit is completed to avoid an election against a rampant Brexit party.

 

Er...Labour had a 2% lead. In other circumstances you have called such a result a decisive victory, and come out with quotes like the 'Will of the People'. Apparently it only becomes a close result when it goes against you.

 

The Labour vote collapsed. It was only the intervention of the Brexit party which prevented a Tory victory. The Tories will now be even more convinced to choose a firm Brexiteer as PM.

 

Quite the contrary SH. This is a bit of a reality check for Farage - Peterborough was one of the most pro leave constituencies in England, with 61% voting to leave at the referendum - if they can't win there then there is not much hope elsewhere. Also, fighting for 600+ constituencies simultaneously is a completely different matter. They would also be required to produce a manifesto at a General Election, and single issue parties may win the odd protest vote when turnout out is low, but that is their limit.

 

This is not about the Brexit party gaining traction. It is the effect on the government of losing large numbers of traditional Tory voters to the Brexit party because of the delay to Brexit. It will send a clear message to choose a firm Brexiteer as PM. In effect Farage is already achieving his objective of ensuring Brexit happens.

Several Jewish organisations are already calling for the new Peterborough Labour MP to be deselected due to her anti Semitic postings on social media.

 

Oh now bring in the Jewish issue.. How low can you stoop.. Really gutter press...

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Even when your so called party is crushed you twist the facts.. Just BS...

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You cannot suppress news just because you are not in favour of the facts being reported, how strange you are.

 

You really are not very good on calling election results SH. Remember 2017? Anyone who knows anything about politics in Peterborough would know that it is a classic swing seat, with MPs being elected with a majority as low as 3. All we have seen happen is the nasty party lose 25% of their voters to the even nastier party. It is good that the voters have not put into Westminster someone from a party that exists on division and hate. Seems as though Farage allied with Trump was not enough to swing it for him. No wonder Farage crept out the back door rather than speak to reporters. There has to be something quite toxic about the man when you see how many times he has been rejected when he has stood for Parliament, and yesterday once again it was all about him, and he was rejected once more. If he cannot win in Peterborough, where can he?

 

The wishy washy anti Brexit parties in the Peterborough by-election finished well down the order. They were rejected by the public. Farage, on the other hand has done his job by putting pressure on the government to choose a PM who will dutifully carry out the will of the people and make sure the UK leaves the EU.

I correctly called that the Macron boy would lose to the far right which continued its domination of the European elections. Somebody foolishly said Le Pen was finished.

 

Sooner or later, people like SH who really cannot make up their minds will have to come to a decision. He was going to vote for Farage in the EU elections until he forgot, but many of his fellows from the blue rinse brigade did. Yesterday in Peterborough we saw quite clearly the split, with the result that Labour walked through the middle. If the government should fall to a no confidence motion, then the Corbyn by Christmas mantra looks ever more likely. So the question for SH is, do you wish to see Farage disappear from the electoral scene with the voters who have deserted going back to the Tories, or do you wish him to stay on the sidelines shouting his messages of despair?

 

Surely it is obvious to most people that Farage is continuing his successful strategy of influencing the government of the day. He singlehandedly was ultimately responsible for Cameron calling for the long promised referendum. The result reflected the increasing dissatisfaction the majority of the British public had with the EU.

The present Brexit party is the latest vehicle for those unhappy with the majority of MPs that have failed to live up to their earlier promises. I would imagine once Brexit has been completed the Brexit party will wither like UKIP and the major part of the support will return to the Tories. Alternatively the Brexit party could widen its appeal by coming up with attractive right of centre ideas. It will require a name change once Brexit has been secured.

Those that temporarily voted for the Brexit knew exactly what they were doing, influencing the government on future policy.

The main confusions seems to be in the crowded centre ground where they are fighting like rats in a barrel, and the Labour Party where nobody knows their present policy on Brexit.

 

What do you mean by 'attractive right of centre ideas' ? Also - it requires a name change now because Brexit is rapidly becoming a purely English thing.

 

When you look at the result it was an increased majority on a reduced turnout.
Who writes your posts? Sarah Huckabee Sanders? You can't spin this.

 

Prof. Sir John Curtice has probably called it about right when he says that Britain has now entered a period of four party politics rather than just two. His view is backed up by the latest YouGov poll that has BP ahead of Lab and LibDem in joint second place, with the Tories fourth. I suspect that the days of one party having a majority of any size in Parliament has gone, and coalition of parties is something to get used to. If the BP or the Tories cannot beat Labour in a by-election when you see the divisions within, then there is little hope for them unless they form a coalition, always assuming that the BP can pick up a handful of seats. As shown with our relations with the EU the main parties are not good at cooperating, but maybe they will soon be forced into it. This change has all come about since we have had the Tory rats in a sack battle reemerge.

 

If the BP cannot win a place like Peterborough Frenchie then they will have problems getting any seats - particularly when they have to stretch their resources over about 600+ constituencies. We may be moving towards 4 party politics in terms of share of the vote - but this does not, necessarily, translate into seats, as the Lib Dems have so often found. This whole issue of Brexit has shown up a deep fault in the British political system - there is no other country in the Western World where the internal problems of a party with less than 100,000 members, and, at best, 36% of the vote could create so much havoc. No other country in the EU. where a party with only a minority of the voters backing it could claim a majority in Parliament - and then go on to rule under such a centralized system as that which exists in the UK. without any apparent balances or checks to their power. It is time to wake up to the fact that Britain, having been held up as a model for democracy in the past, actually has a democratic deficit.

 

Bang on Cologne. Also makes me laugh how much is being made today of the BP only being 8 weeks old. Didn't stop them smashing the living daylights out of Labour and the Tories at the ballot box a fortnight ago. They had a chance to return a pro Brexit MP to an anti Brexit parliament and didn't. Maybe all the pensioners just decided to stay in bed instead of get out and vote

 

Interestingly the anti Brexit parties did so badly.