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Discussion in 'Watford' started by Leo, Aug 31, 2014.

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  1. yorkshirehornet

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    He clearly doesn't seek friendship![emoji107]

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  2. superhorns

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    Parliament may have voted but it is not binding on the government. I agree parliament has proved there is no majority for anything which is why the government will revert back to having full control and making a firm decision. Boris, the likely successor, has already stated we leave on Oct 31st , deal or no deal. I cannot see the bully boys of the EU agreeing to sensible terms before this date.
     
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    So it will be the bully boy, your language, BoJo who will overrule Parliament?
    Are you for real?
    He would rend the Tory party in two...

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    It is already totally split and has been for a very long time. It really is a case of will the MPs allow the small minority take over from the majority who believe they are elected to serve everyone, not just their own self interest. BoJo was given the chance to hold one of the highest positions in the country, and made a total mess of it. Apart from his record on lying, he was shown to be totally inept wasting millions of pounds on failed projects when Mayor of London, and later getting a citizen banged up in jail because of his hopeless grasp of what he was dealing with. Could any right minded person think he is suitable to lead the country?
     
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    You just don't understand the process. Parliament has created the default position of leave without a deal if one cannot be negotiated. The remoaners desperately cling to anything that they think can overturn the democratic decision taken by the UK electorate in 2016. Already senior Tories such as Rudd d Hammond have indicated they
     
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    Would serve under Boris. He does look unstoppable at this stage but favourites rarely win the Tory crown. Any remain candidates can easily be ruled out at this stage.
     
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    What you don't appear to understand is that there is a significant number of Tory MPs who will not serve under Bojo, or any other PM who goes for a hard Brexit. This means that the patched up majority is gone - which in turn will, inevitably, lead to a General Election. Voting for mophead as your leader is the best way of ensuring that Corbyn becomes PM.
     
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    Isn't this something of a climb down from initially claiming that it was a Parliamentary Report ?
     
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    No, it was a report about parliament and the chances of halting a no deal Brexit. Most knowledgable commentators now fully accept that present legislation cannot halt a no deal exit.
     
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  10. We were all reading his post selectively!
     
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    They may not serve under Boris but will still vote with the government. The DUP will also be back onside soon. There is goodwill emerging amongst senior remainers to work with Boris. Nobody will miss Hancock or Stewart.

    You can rest assured the responsibility I hold in choosing your next Prime minister is taken very seriously. I will ensure the candidate respects democracy and the 2016 referendum. My £25 contribution towards the Tory coffers was luckily well timed and excellent value.
     
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    They will not prop up the government if it leads to a hard Brexit SH. the numbers are not there for such a thing.
     
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    Tory remoaners would prefer a no deal Brexit to a harmful Corbyn Momentum regime.
     
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    Quite right cologne. I have seen various Tory MPs on the TV who are quite certain that rather then see the country leave the EU without a deal, they would be prepared to bring it down. Whoever takes over will be in exactly the same position as May, the leader of a minority government that can be brought down very easily.
     
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    So it wasn't a parliamentary report that you claimed it to be. If you don't understand the difference between a parliamentary report and an opinion piece, it can be little wonder that you have no idea about far more complex matters. May said that when she started on the Brexit negotiations she didn't realise the complexity that she would be faced with. I don't think you have reached that stage yet.
     
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  16. "Tory Remoaners"? Your party sounds really unified when you are talking like that about your fellow members...
     
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    You are overlooking many things here - a 'Corbyn Momentum regime', as you refer to it, would not be permanent, whereas a hard Brexit could be. It is also unlikely that Labour would secure a majority, without support from the Lib Dems and/or the SNP - which would mean a second referendum. So the logic is clear - any Tory MP who wants to remain would have to cross the house in order to secure this.
     
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    So if I write a report about parliament on here I would be entitled to call it a 'parliamentary report' ?
     
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    I fully understand the difference. The contents you obviously find hard to accept. Your wishful barriers to Brexit always seem to crumble after a while.
     
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    If you fully understand the difference, why did you spend hours on here making a fool of yourself by claiming that a non-existent document had been published.
     
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