Off Topic Political Debate

Was that done by the FA or by our club?

 

Good point - assumed it was the FA but it may have been us. Was interesting that none (or very very few) of the singing section behind the goal appeared to be waving them. Either they're all keen environmentalists or decided they didn't need to wave a cheap flag to create an atmosphere

 

I think that most Premiership clubs like to keep up an image when it comes to environmentalism, but as long as they are flying to anywhere further than Birmingham then it is a bit of a charade.

 

I waved mine with pride, the effect of seeing all those flags being waved by our supporters was magnificent, it made the Wolves end look rather naff. There were many eyes around us being filled up at that moment, including mine. My daughter was in floods of tears.

Sorry, the environment was the last thing on my mind at that stage. Having watched WFC in the old 4th div standing on the open terraces in the rain, these rare moments of success must be savoured.

 

Oh I don't disagree. I can't put my finger on why it was so different yesterday but it seemed to crank up many notches from the atmosphere in the 2016 semi final. In the ten minutes before kick off the wall of noise was incredible.

 

Yikes.. I may have stood next to you. [emoji8]

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I feel sure that there are a small minority behind this, but all this nonsense about 'Johny Foreigner' cannot be helping.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47858833

 

Those players mentioned are all English, the Watford players are probably being abused by a tiny minority of Wolves supporters unable to take the defeat and Deeney's comments very well.

 

Sometimes you can judge people by the company they keep SH. People like Farage are quite happy to rub shoulders with the likes of Tommie Robinson and the EDL who I don't think would regard Troy Deeney or Mariappa as being fully English. The fact is that since the Brexit vote we have seen xenophobia of all kinds becoming almost mainstream.

 

I think you miss the point SH. Yes two Watford players have suffered this abuse, but we have seen it in one form or another affecting plenty of others in recent weeks. As pointed out in Westminster last week the use of certain words are inflammatory, and some of the gutter press are quite happy to use that sort of language. This is being picked up by those who do not see how it is designed, and think it normal. It will become normal unless stamped on.

 

Farage has no connection with Tommie Robinson or the EDL, you know this is incorrect.

 

There has always been racist abuse, it is certainly far less prevalent now than for many decades. The difference is now it is tolerated much less by our society. Uncontrolled social media has not helped.

Thankfully the UK does not have the large and fast growing far left and right groups as suffered by France, Germany and many other EU countries.

 

Farage was the leader of UKIP. He gave that up, on and off, and has now passed the leadership on. The current leader does associate with Tommie Robinson, so they are all out of the same stable.
Meanwhile we see that ERG are starting to splinter with the hardliners being accused by a former member of preventing Brexit with their unicorn beliefs. Do you really think that we have stable government?

 

Rubbish, Farage wanted nothing to do with Robinson and made that perfectly clear. Your logic is failing you badly.

 

Here we go again.. You miss the very serious point of the posting. Which was about the almost legitimising of racism, zenophobia and prejudice, by the current focus of Brexit.. Very worrying...
You would rather have a dig at the poster..

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I disagree that your naughty list has anything to do with Brexit. It is just another excuse to whinge about the result. It is very worrying you cannot address the real issues rather than find an easy but incorrect scapegoat.

 

Nonsense. Furthermore the maybot is watching what orange45 is getting away with across the pond and then seeing what she can get away with here. she'll try it on with employee rights, environmental protections, tax avoidance, the NHS (which they can't wait to do away with which is, in my opinion, immoral in a modern supposedly civilised society) and even bringing back fox hunting. The enablement of racists in the US has been key to orange45's success... they have actual Nazis standing for election in the republican party. America sneezes, we catch a cold.

 

I'm surprised you have not mentioned the large number of Neo Nazis now in the German parliament or the massive rise of far right support throughout the EU. In contrast our FPTP system prevents similar extremists from gaining any power within the UK.

 

I think we have seen the change in the UK politics, but the Tories have failed to realise that so much has changed. After the 2017 general election where it was shown that the Tory party was not thought fit to govern with a majority, they believed that buy a few votes, and they could carry on as before. What they didn't comprehend was that the old two party system was broken. The two largest parties are both split into factions, small groupings are within both, splits are happening all the time now, and there is no one set of policies that can command a majority.
A decent leader would not have ploughed on at that stage trying to impose her views, but would have sort to find some common ground for the good of the country. To be beholden to the DUP or ERG that very few people actually voted for was all about her retaining power. It was in 2017 that compromise was needed, not now when all she can hope for is that the EU do her dirty work for her, and set a long extension.

 

Our FPTP system ensures that extremists have to enter the two major parties in order to have an influence - I would rather have extremists under their own banners where we can see them.