Off Topic Political Debate

She is right - not great timing but then since when the Tories been united and working together for the best of the British public?

 

Speaking on TV now she sounds defeated. As she says ...very bad timing indeed

 

If we were in the middle ages they would all be walking around with daggers concealed under cloaks, and nobody would be drinking anything for fear of aconite poisoning. In the times of Cromwell a couple of them would have raised an army in the provinces. They do actually still have a sword rack in the house of commons, so maybe it would be an advantage to suspend our 'modern civilized state' for 24 hours and let them all murder each other. Unfortunately this country has no corrective constitutional solution for a misfunctioning government.

 

Once the remainers in the cabinet colluded with remain civil servants to accept the backstop deal and other giveaways then May's leadership was bound to be challenged. She has entwined herself with a deal that hardly anybody approves of. She has failed her own brief as clearly laid out in her earlier speeches setting out hers, and the Uk's red lines.

Unfortunately the leadership challenge may fail and she is protected for another year but there really was no option apart from questioning her leadership. Hopefully enough MPs will oppose her to encourage her to step down. I would like to see an interim proper Brexiteer PM chosen and a full election later in 2019.

The UK deserves a better bolder leader than a tepid half hearted remainer not properly carrying out the will of the people as defined in the 2016 referendum.

 

Naturally a Conservative leadership election.

 

It stands to reason Yorkie that if we were all philosophers or little Voltaires that capitalism would not survive. They need us to keep spending and think of human beings only in relationship to either their productive our consumptive power - you are a 'consumer' not a 'human'. In order to do this they have to be able to convince you that you 'need' things, which you, in fact, don't need. So the luxuries of today become the necessities of tomorrow. In order to do this a certain 'dumbing down' is necessary.

 

How come so many of these Tory MPs and posters sound so smug and arrogant???? No humility and no integrity......

 

'They' have done this throughout history, used to be religion or serfdom, then the protestant work ethic, now it is mortgages, celebrity lifestyles and primark...

 

She has not only failed to carry out the kind of Brexit as described prior to the referendum and in the winning 2017 election manifesto she has also failed to stick to her own red lines. Her potential agreement with the EU is a poor attempt due to the ridiculously bad advice she has listened to from remainers like Hammond and senior civil servants.

 

It is almost certain that she will survive this vote tonight SH. Do we have time for a civil war within the Tory party at this moment in time ? It may allow the Rees Moggs of this world to have their toddlers tantrum but does nothing else other than to eat up time hoping for a no deal by default. All it is is a time wasting tactic, hoping to prolong the chaos and disruption until March 29th, nothing more, nothing less. You can change the party leader every day from now until then but it does not change the arithmetics in parliament.

 

As that man commenting in the Express says, the Tories are making the Labour party look competent.

 

The legal default position is leaving on 'no deal' if May's deal is rejected. Even Gina Miller has accepted this as fact. The government can take notice of any amendment in parliament but is not compelled to do so.

 

I doubt if she will suffer the overwhelming vote of no confidence that the hapless Corbyn endured recently. The Labour Party's split is a running sore which will probably result in a complete lurch to the left making it even more unelectable than it is at present.

 

Would any government ignore the will of parliament? Big difference between the legal and political position. You could not govern without the support of parliament.

 

The executive governs not parliament.

 

No. Go against the will of parliament and you couldn't pass any legislation. No finance bill, nothing.

 

Absolutely wrong SH. Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK. constitution, making the parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK.

 

Only if the government does not have the numbers for normal bills. On the specifics of the withdrawal bill the government already has mandate to leave on a no deal scenario if the governments deal is rejected by parliament, this is the legal position. It can decide to take notice of any amendment or not.

 

In the case of the withdrawal bill parliament's previous decision has handed the government the right to choose the option in the event of the EU deal being voted down.