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Discussion in 'Watford' started by Leo, Aug 31, 2014.

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  1. superhorns

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    Yes, with Germany pulling all the strings, certainly. You need to read Yanis Varoufakis's experiences dealing with the mafioso in Brussels, shocking.
     
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    I'm so pleased I'm managing to do quite well with getting everything wrong, when I start to improve I will be absolutely flying. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    When Momentum's hordes of spotty faced kids eventually take their heads out of their mobiles and face the real world they will be voting Conservative just like their parents and grandparents.
     
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    I'm quite happy to let the police do their job. I'm also looking forward to the sleaze bag taking Wee Jimmy Krankie to the highest civil court in Scotland. :)
     
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    I am afraid like so many of the blue rinse brigade you are stuck in the past. Back in the 50's or 60's people had the chance to aspire to better things. If they were bright enough they would go to university, get a reasonable job, get married, have some children and buy a house. Today they might go to university, come out saddled with huge amounts of debt, find that many others are in the same position, and finish up taking whatever lower paid job they can get. Getting married and having children has been pushed back later in life as the figures show. To even raise a deposit for a house with the crazy prices is beyond many as they struggle to make their money last the month.
    This is the world today, and it is most unlikely that these youngsters will ever find a sympathy with the investment bankers who tell their clients to take their investments out of the country, while at the same time say everyone is having a great life under a Tory government. The party has to change back to what it once was, a party for the many, not just the few, or it will slowly die.
     
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    With respect, it’s not the SNP that is clueless. UK debt is more than 17x higher than you think it is.

    It was about 38% under Labour, but debt-crazy Tories have taken that to in excess of 86%.

    Tut, tut, tut. Borrowing money they can’t afford. Like the money they have to borrow to keep up the facade that Brexshit will facilitate £350m per week for the NHS.

    All smoke and mirrors. Enough to fool the readers of the Daily Fail they are in safe hands. Bloody immigrants. Overweight, northern immigrants. All to blame for this. Thank goodness those with correct school ties are keeping evil immigrants at bay.

    When’s that nice man giving me a lift to the polling station so I can vote Tory?
     
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    Brexshit was very popular amongst your northern friends. It was in London and most cities that people wanted to remain.
     
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    So innocent at the moment, then? Phew.
     
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    That's not what I wrote, is it? You sad, sad, old man.
     
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    At the last general election the Tories received their largest share of the vote since Thatcher's days so plenty of continuing support. Of course that does reflect the absence of any alternative political party. The Labour Party are happy to be good losers and the Lib Dems are frankly just losers.
     
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    The Scottish government have serious doubts about his innocence, poor chap.
     
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    I'm extremely happy at the moment, although you sound rather bitter, life so unfair. A bit like Kevin the teenager. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    So sorry to disappoint you townies. :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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    Still unable to form a government without buying some votes. A slow steady decline is happening.
     
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    The decline has already happened to the LP and the Lib Dems which is why the Tories keep being elected.

    With all of your predictions ending in abject failure, it may be time for you to ease back on the project fear, it is getting embarrassing.
     
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    Strangely enough I noticed this week that project fear came home to roost when the government accepted that it had been right to point out the problems with the Brexiteers stance. Mr Raab looked extremely uncomfortable reading from his script. I don't think that you are in any position now to predict a rosy outcome for the country. Oh and what was going to be the Tory majority at the last election? 100 or was it 150?
     
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    The last election saw the Tories again preferred to any other party despite May's ham fisted attempt to solve the elderly care issue which cost her many votes. Project fear has continued to be shown as a failed attempt to frighten the UK public. The chief of the WTO has downplayed and contradicted much of the scaremongering about the UK going onto WTO rules. Some folk are just frightened of their own shadow and need to led.
     
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    Let's see what the head of the WTO has actually said.

    He punctured the free trading zeal of the ultra-Leavers by pointing out that if the UK unilaterally reduces or abolishes tariffs and non-tariff barriers on UK-EU trade, then it must do so for all countries too, because it was not being done as part of a formal trade deal. If there is to be a full trade treaty with the EU, Mr Azvedo advises, with the weight of experience on his side, that it will take longer to negotiate than the period between now and the putative Brexit date of 29 March 2019. The options in front of “Global Britain”, therefore are narrower than many assumed, and no amount of unity or “belief in Britain” can alter the realities of the global trade regime, or Britain's relatively weak position in relation to potential new trading partners, such as the US, China and India, as well as the European Union itself.
    It is “not realistic” to believe the UK can begin trading under World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules the day after Brexit in March, the head of the intergovernmental group has said.
    “I was a trade negotiator; I negotiated trade deals my whole life and I’m very realistic about how fast you can go with those deals.” WTO director-general Roberto Azevêdo.
     
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    He confirmed many areas have tariffs which are very low so there will not be much difference. Tariffs have always less of a problem than currency fluctuations. Most businesses deal with these problems on a regular basis as the majority of UK trade is with non EU countries.
     
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    As usual you miss the point. No deal with the EU and nothing arranged with the WTO. What are you going to do? Throw open the borders to all?
     
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