Off Topic Political Debate

A serial rebel leading the opposition and a totally incompetent PM leading the government. Momentum a party within a party and ERG a party within a party. It is little wonder that the country is so split and why so many say a plague on both your houses.

 

It really does not matter what I think but it does matter what some LP MPs and most Jewish organisations think and say. All three main Jewish papers have united against Corbyn saying a Corbyn government would be a threat to Jewish life. The Jewish Leadership Council have accused those pushing anti semite offensive material of using Corbyn as a figurehead.

You are certainly in a minority now thinking Corbyn is a clumsy fool rather than an out and out anti semite.

 

Where is old Vince and his tiny band of merry men when you need them?

 

Therein lies the problem. The state of the political parties is at an all time low. It is a huge shame to see people still trying to form opinions while the leaders go on holiday. So many lies have been told that rather than sort out what is truth many parts of the population say they do not know or even care anymore. You only have to look at the range of polls to see that people no longer want what is on offer from either of the two main parties. Something will happen, and I cannot predict what, that will have to change the face of UK politics. People do not want the extremes any longer, and we did see the reaction when the poll tax was introduced. Wait and see, but there will be change.

 

There are a number of Labour Party MPs who are against Corbyn and are looking for a hammer to hit him with. There has long been a gulf between the PLP and the rank and file of the party and Corbyn stands for a grassroots movement which they feel threatened by - the party is finally becoming a democratic party and they are afraid of that. I have explained to you what racism is, and what anti semitism is, if you choose to ignore that and keep stirring the pot then you are welcome to do so. Why have all 3 big Jewish papers done this all at the same time - it smells of conspiracy. Fortunately there are also many Jews in the UK. who do not write the newspapers., who understand that anti semitism and critique of Israel are two different things.

 

I would take issue with you cologne that Corbyn is leading a grassroots party. At their last conference the members wanted to discuss Brexit, and he made sure that the debate never saw the light of day. I remember well the days when union leaders manipulated meetings to make sure that the members were sidelined, and by surrounding himself with willing supporters he is making sure that it is his agenda that wins through. He is coming under increasing pressure to change his stance on Brexit, but disappears when he should be listening if your assumption is correct.

 

I agree. There's no room for dissenters. That's no different to many party leaders through history but it's not really what was promised. I don't blame him to be honest but democracy it isn't.

 

I tend to agree on the question of Brexit and Labour Frenchie. Are the 13,000 present at the Labour Party conference representative of the views of the 500,000 members ? The only way to really know that is by balloting the whole membership on important issues such as this. It will be interesting to see if there is a shift in the September conference, my feeling is that many younger Corbyn supporters do not back his Brexit stance.

 

My understanding of the Labour party structure is that those at the conference are delegated, but I could be wrong. According to one new poll you are young if you are under 55 years old as you have to be older than that to not want to give the electorate another say.

 

This reminds me of your previous prediction of the demise of the two party system in the UK. The result was an all-time record of support for those two main parties. The difference at the last two elections was the collapse of the Lib Dem vote on an anti Brexit ticket which failed miserably.

The UK has never flirted with the extremes in politics as in France, Italy Spain etc. The next UK election will see a repeat of the bulk of votes going to the two main political parties, I'm afraid you are in for a long wait for any shake up in our political landscape.

Your new dawn centre party in France has lost most of its support with a lame duck President. By the time the next French election comes around the traditional parties will dominate again.

 

There are groups within both main parties that are extreme. Where have the two main parties in France gone? No one would even know if they still exist. The fringe FN has melted away like UKIP. Your knowledge of French politics is way out of date. When did you leave?

 

I know the president is rapidly losing support and the general feeling is that he is out of touch with normal people. His reforms are going nowhere and unemployment rising again. You should try to keep up with French news as you seem unaware of current events.
Your political predictions always give me a laugh, you will get one right eventually, but keep them coming.

 

How does a person who doesn't speak French by his own admission watch French TV political debate, then expect anyone to take notice of his judgement. That is funny.

 

Your lack of knowledge of current French politics suggests your TV breaks down as much as your car does. They really are cheap to replace you know, try Darty.

The British media manages to obtain information from around the world, even France.

 

I came here hoping for sensible debate. Must be in the wrong place. Wasn't looking for inane slagging and mud slinging. .

 

Totally disingenuous. Their vote collapsed because they sold their collective souls for a little bit of power, including their involvement in highly offensive taxes on higher education. Taxing an ‘economic good’ is plainly stupid to all but the rabid.

 

The only reason that the UK. doesn't appear to have extremes is that the centre of politics has shifted so far to the right, which it hasn't in many other countries. Neo Liberal free market economics is, in itself, an extreme.

 

The Lib Dems main message at the last election was to stop Brexit. The public completely disagreed with this stance and voted for the two main parties that promised Brexit. Clegggate is old hat now.

 

Unlike most EU countries now we do not have any far right type National Front members in our parliament.

 

Tosh. People didn’t forgive how they sold out on their student fees pledge.
https://news.sky.com/story/university-students-havent-forgiven-lib-dems-for-fees-u-turn-10866736