Off Topic Political Debate

The only real comment in those articles is the description of Corbyn being "left-wing". I cannot think of how else you could describe his politics.

 

I don't know any more detail.

He is not matey with the journos which may be part of it too.

I read something else which indicated he did far more Remain speeches than the other key polticians but they were not reported.

 

All very interesting though

On the subject of Corbyn is he any less of a politician than say BoJo who has been caricatured in the press recently? There is a sense that the media are against him whilst he has the biggest mandate of party members in many a year.

 

ARM chipmaker to be bought for £24bn by Japan's Softbank



Anyone fancy a discussion on this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36822806

Another body blow for our technology sector??


some of the article here:




UK technology firm ARM Holdings is to be bought by Japan's Softbank for £24bn ($32bn) it confirmed on Monday.

The board of ARM is expected to recommend shareholders accept the offer - which is around a 43% premium on its closing market value of £16.8bn on Friday.

The Cambridge-based firm designs microchips used in most smartphones, including Apple's and Samsung's.

ARM, which was founded in 1990, employs more than 3,000 people.

Shares in the UK technology firm surged by 45% at the open of the London Stock Exchange to 1,742.85p per share, adding £7.56bn to ARM's market value.


Japanese entrepreneur
ARM said it would keep its headquarters in Cambridge and that it would at least double the number of its staff over the next five years.

The deal will be funded by Softbank's own cash reserves and a long term loan from Japan's Mizuho Bank.

Softbank is one of the world's biggest technology companies and is run by its founder, Japanese entrepreneur Masayoshi Son.

It has previously acquired Vodafone's Japanese operations and the US telecoms company Sprint. The $20bn deal was the biggest foreign acquisition by a Japanese firm at the time.

Softbank intends to preserve the UK tech firm's organisation, including its existing senior management structure and partnership-based business model, ARM said.

Analysis: Rory Cellan-Jones, BBC technology correspondent:
It's hard to exaggerate just how important ARM is to the UK tech sector - and the shock many are feeling this morning at the news that it is about to lose its independence.

Its brilliance was to realise that if chips were about to come with everything, you didn't have to make them - designing them was the key.

Five years ago, Cambridge was home to at least three world-beating UK-owned technology firms, ARM, Autonomy and Cambridge Silicon Radio (CSR).

Then Autonomy was swallowed up by HP in an ill-fated deal, last year the chipmaker Qualcomm bought CSR, and now the biggest and best, ARM, is about to have a Japanese owner.

And in Softbank, ARM may well have found a good parent.

The Japanese firm bought France's Aldebaran robotics business and has gone on to give it a global profile.

But there will still be sadness this morning in Cambridge, and beyond, that Britain's best hope of building a global technology giant now appears to have gone

 

With such high tech industry and research at the universities in Cambridge, it is no wonder they wished to stay in the EU.

 

Interesting question... 'we' voted fro BREXIT for sovereignty..... but in the free markets of the world we are bought out time and time again.

 

We voted for our government to be sovereign not to stop foreign companies investing in or buying private UK companies. Quite a difference.

 

The LSE have done a study on the print media- I found it summarised here: :

The London School of Economics have produced a report called"Journalistic Representation of Jeremy Corbyn in the British press"that demonstrates the existence of an extreme systemic bias against Jeremy Corbyn in the corporate mainstream media.

The report analysed hundreds of articles about Jeremy Corbyn in the mainstream newspapers and identified three main delegitimisation propaganda tactics used to attack Jeremy Corbyn.

• Ignoring Jeremy Corbyn's words/policies, or actively misrepresenting the
  
• Using Scorn, ridicule and personal attacks
• Smear by association tactics

These are some of the specific findings in the report:

• Almost three quarters of all stories failed to accurately report Jeremy Corbyn's actual views on subjects.

• 52% of all newspaper articles didn't mention Corbyn's actual views at all, while another 22% misrepresented his views or took them out of context.

• Only one in five Daily Telegraph articles about Jeremy Corbyn even bothered to quote anything he had said whatever.

• The worst offenders at misrepresenting Jeremy Corbyn's views/policies were the Evening Standard (39% of articles), Express (37%) and Telegraph (29%).

• In the period between September 1st and his election as Labour leader on September 12th an astonishing 42% of all newspaper articles attempted to frame him as a communist.

• 0% of Daily Mail and Express articles presented Jeremy Corbyn's views/policies without alteration. The average across all newspapers was just 11%.

• 22% of all newspaper articles designated Jeremy Corbyn as"dangerous", rising to 50% of articles in the Telegraph and 63% of articles in the Express.

• 27% of Daily Mail articles portrayed Jeremy Corbyn as hating Britain ).

• All newspapers ran significantly more critical articles than positive ones, including the supposedly left-liberal Guardian, Mirror and Independent. On average over 50% of articles about Corbyn were negative or highly critical, while less than 10% adopted a positive tone.

• 80% of Daily Express articles about Jeremy Corbyn used ridicule and scorn to delegitimise him. The other worst offenders at using ridicule tactics were the Daily Mail (54%), Evening Standard (47%) and Sun (45%).

• The worst offenders at publishing personal attacks were the Express (40% of all articles) and the Evening Standard (26%).

• The supposedly left-liberal Daily Mirror and Independent newspapers were far more likely to include quotes from anti-Corbyn Labour politicians, than quotes from those who support him.

The report finished with some damning conclusions about the extreme levels of anti-Corbyn bias in the mainstream print media:
"Jeremy Corbyn is systematically ridiculed, scorned and the object of personal attacks by most newspapers.""With the vast majority of the British newspapers situated moderately to firmly on the right of the political spectrum, the analysis of our data also points to a strong ideological bias. The rightwing newspapers were particularly negative and acerbic towards Corbyn. At the same time, we could also clearly observe a degree of"anti-Corbyn reporting in the left-leaning and liberal newspapers. This was especially visible through the amplification of internal struggles and tensions within the Labour Party regarding Corbyn. This manifested itself by the newspapers providing an extensive and enthusiastic platform to those forces in the Labour Party that aggressively contested Corbyn and what he stands for. Arguably, exposing the internal tensions within the Labour Party could be seen as part of the watchdog role of the media. However, as pointed out above, there was quite a considerable amount of coverage that was very one-sided, only giving voice to those that are against Corbyn and at the same time ignoring those that are in favour of him and his policies.""Is it acceptable that the majority of the British newspapers uses its mediated power to attack and delegitimise the leader of the largest opposition party against a right-wing government to such an extent and with such vigour? This is not merely a political question, but also an ethical and a democratic one. Certainly democracies need their media to challenge power and offer robust debate, but when this transgresses into an antagonism that undermines legitimate political voices that dare to contest the current status quo, then it is not democracy that is served."



mmmm......


Edit:

I have just read the report itself which makes very interesting reading:

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf

 

Indeed. Nor to stop them from relocating the company, the knowledge base and the jobs elsewhere inside the EU in readiness for when we are actually no longer in it. But that is the result and if you expected anything different then you understand less about business than you think you do. And if you didn't, then what on earth possessed you to vote leave?

 

The plan is to keep the company in Cambridge and at least double the number of staff over the next five years.

 

I don't actually think it matters at the present time what the press make of the direction that Corbyn is trying to take the Labour party, it is clear that he cannot take his MPs with him to form a viable opposition. Parliament, whether we like it or not is where we should be able to be able to place some trust, When you see the chaotic state that he has led them to it is hardly surprising that the press find it so easy to rubbish him.
Similar things have happened in the Tory party with the current right wing takeover, and let's face it some of them are easy targets. So far they have not been pushed so far as Labour MPs, but sooner or later they will be faced with some hard choices.

 

Yes....of course ....

What I find so questionable is the role of the print media in this.... in some cases reputable papers printing mistruths and lies...... no wonder most people cant discriminate clearly ... tis happens across the board as most of the print media aren't about News but Opinion and Rhetoric...

As I psychologist I know that if you mention the word unelectable enough it actually sits in the minds of people as a fact .

With Brexit people were looking to the print media to help them decide... and there was so much misinformation.

I think it was Juncker who couldn't believe that with Brexit what was such an important debate was played out on slogans and the like

 

I agree with you to a large extent, but I did read that the role of newspapers in forming opinion was becoming reduced with the fall in circulation. Liar is a word that has been used a lot by the press recently. This surely is far more harmful to a politician than one of incompetence.

 

So they say, and they (Softbank) have a track record of enlarging other companies. However:

So the UK's only world leading hi-tech company is being sold off for £24bn.
Hermann Hauser just tweeted "ARM is the proudest achievement of my life. The proposed sale to SoftBank is a sad day for me and for technology in Britain." The irony is that May & Hammond are quickly saying the sale to Japan's SoftBank is a great thing... despite May's policy speech a week ago in which, according to Robert Peston, she "was completely unambiguous that she opposed foreign companies buyi...ng our strategically important businesses."
And so instead of protecting British long-term R&D interests, we are gladly allowing key companies to be sold off in order to try and attract foreign investment when many indicators show the Brexit vote has caused foreign investment to dry up. Sales of companies on a weak pound is not the same as inward investment to our companies. Well, so much for supporting British-grown innovative businesses. Did you know that out of the world's top 50 R&D companies, 17 are EU-based, but only two of those are UK companies? (Astrazenica and GSK). Our Big R&D sector is vulnerable and it is now being hollowed out further.
Incidentally, Hermann Hauser tweeted the following on June 24th and 25th: "Brexit: Britain's worst own goal in history." and "An innumerate clown has wrecked a country ‪#‎Brexit‬"

(Scientists for EU, fb page)

 

Leaving aside the rights or wrongs of the debate in Westminster this evening, I cannot ever remember a time when the leader of the opposition has been heckled more from his own side than the government benches. Labour MP after Labour MP stood up to say that he was going against the official policy agreed by the members. Seems it suits him to call on the support of the members when it pleases him, and ignore them when it doesn't. One MP said this.

John Woodcock says he is proud to be "speaking for the Labour party in this debate" unlike his own front bench.
Mr Woodcock, who chairs the Labour party's backbench defence committee, says he speaks for the party of "Attlee, Bevan, and Stafford Cripps" who "understood with heavy hearts" that maintaining nuclear weapons "prevents others from unleashing it again".
It is "not an act of global leadership" to call for unilateral disarmament but a "destabilising and futile abdication of responsibility".

The Labour leadership did not engage with his review - which found that Trident was the "most cost effective and secure deterrent available” - in person "but were happy to debate on Twitter", he tells MPs.
The Labour members and trade unionists who engaged in his committee's review are "being ignored by the party leader who clings to an idea of party democracy to save his own skin", adding "and it is not right".

At this time the country needs an opposition that can question and demand answers from the government and hold them to account, not carry on their own internal arguments for all the world to see.

 

<img class="lazy-fallback" src="http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/285x190/690191_1.jpg" alt="Britain ten Brexit trade deals lined up economic powerhouses" title="Britain ten Brexit trade deals lined up economic powerhouses"> UK will build trading zone TEN times bigger than EU with mega-deals with 12 major nations

 

...and of course he will say he has a mandate from the rank and file....

So many ' lay' people seem to like him......

Clearly it is a terrible situation for the opposition at this time.....

I am not a labour supporter so I don't really have a view on the split etc. except to say we must have a strong opposition in Parliament

But my original post about the use of the media to denigrate and influence is the point I was making.... on all sides..

 

You really should check out a few facts before posting such nonsense. If you believe it I wouldn't be surprised, but 10 times bigger than the EU is 1.5 times larger than the entire world economy. Total rubbish.

 

Jeremy Corbyn has not made this into a party issue. He allowed Labour MPs to vote on their consciences, just as he, himself did......what more can you ask ? The fact that this vote was raised at this time was nothing other than a Tory manouevre - a Tory game, which many Labour MPs, quite rightly, abstained from playing.

 

For someone who is constantly telling us that it is the members who are important, not the MPs, I would have expected him to follow what the members agreed should be the policy.