Off Topic Political Debate

It is French and the other members of the Schengen agreement that have failed in their duty to address migrants entering their region. The borderless borders have caused this problem, it is only now that individual nations have acted in self interest that belated action has been taken. Any migrants arriving at Dover without authority should be sent back to France, it is then up to them to return them to the point of entry.

 

The far right has been cultivated in many European countries by the failure of the Schengen Agreement to control mass migration. There are probably many FN supporters in your little outback, open your eyes, your misguided naive policies are poisoning Europe.

 

I agree about the military actions of the UK and USA. It would have been better to have kept the dictators that were pro-western.

 

A totally expected response from you, I could have written it quicker than you did. You do not however deal with the chaos that would be seen in Dover. Your vague ideas need to be put to more practical tests.

 

Once again wrong SH. In my little outback as you describe it there was one vote for the FN in the recent elections. It didn't even register as a percentage.

 

Of course you are capable of seeing sense, it just takes you longer than most people. Are you still claiming that the Schengen agreement is working? are those hundreds of miles of barbed wire a mirage?

It is not in the interest of the French to cause chaos at Dover, the french economy and employment prospects cannot take any further damaging actions.

 

There must be an awful lot of Le Pen supporters in villages nearby then!!! You need to get out a bit more.

 

I have the voting figures. Do you? You do not even know what village I live in. Another uninformed comment I think.

 

The director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, John Longworth, has resigned after being suspended. It was quite clear that his views and those of the BCC were different. The BCC have confirmed there was no interference from government. I just happened to catch an interview he gave shortly after his members had decided to not support either side and was quite appalled at the way he chose to ignore them and state his own opinions. Maybe some will stop trying to make capital out of his suspension now.

 

6.8 million french people voted for the FN (27%) in the second round in Dec 2015. That is a very high percentage for a far right wing party. It is not unreasonable to expect this support to be represented around the country. What is your updated comment on the ill-fated Schengen Agreement, you seem to have gone quiet over that.

 

You are just guessing again. I have seen the actual voting figures. The support for the FN was specific in heavily populated areas, not over the country as a whole. If you look at the figures that have come out this month you will find that their support has fallen even in those areas, and are actually below those of the government which is not too popular to say the least.

There is not a problem with the ideal of a Schengen agreement, but it has become a problem because of the numbers of migrants fleeing from places like Syria. It has been shown that despite fences being put up they have been broken through and have not stopped people moving through countries. The UK is fortunate in having an expanse of water around it which makes it more difficult to enter already, but as Frank Gardner the BBC Security Correspondent was saying last week, it is impossible to stop the determined person with guns or bombs getting into the country. I am not sure why this seems to be a fixation with you as the UK is not a member and it has never been suggested that you would join.

 

There is a real element of scaremongering in the Brexit campaign. If I saw real hard facts as to the benefits I would of course consider but still fail to see anything. ...and why would i ally myself with those who seek to instil fear?

 

Just to work against the scaremongering of the Brexit camp imagine the following: Britain has left the EU. Britain falls apart as Scotland separates itself. The rest, 'Little England', moves further to the right and, freed of all of those nasty EU. regulations on workers rights and the environment, becomes a nation of fruit pickers and bankers. It moves closer to China, the USA and India (compare their human rights and environmental records to the EU.). The Chinese can invest lots of new money in building new nuclear power stations and Britain becomes a giant US aircraft carrier. It has offended all of its closest neighbours and spends the next 10 years negotiating deals with them which brings their economic position back to broadly what they have now. Britain has become the 'dirty man' of Europe - the 'Fracking' island. The positive side is of course that we are seeing the Tories rip themselves apart at the moment - however, the referendum will be decided by which way the 9 million, or so, Labour voters go. The left should be taking more than the luke warm stance which they are taking - they should be spelling out just how many of our workers rights actually come from the EU. And......do they really want to hand over their island into the hands of Boris, Nigel and co. ?

 

Now i am scared!

 

More scaremongering without one shred on fact or evidence. Well apart from 1 point, Britain is already becoming a nation of fruit-pickers who are all East Europeans working at or even below the minimum wage. Could you at least try and back some of your points with evidence.
I would be far more worried about living in a country whose leader seems be pandering to the Turkish vote and is hell bent on allowing access to the EU to Turkey - a country with far worse human rights records, a country full of corruption, a country that ignores UN mandates to quit their illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus. Germany is more than welcome to more Turks.

 

The idea of a borderless area throughout Europe was flawed on conception, if you cannot secure the external borders then it does not work, full stop. It was a political decision similar to the creation of the Euro, maybe be a nice idea but unworkable. Europe has suffered many years of reduced growth due to unelected eurocrats lacking the necessary ability to make correct decisions. The folly of this failed policy has created the problems at Calais, these migrants should have been registered and retained at the country of arrival into Europe. It is accepted that Schengen assisted the passage of the Paris terrorists it also allowed over a million migrants, many with forged passports to bypass proper immigration checks.

You are in cuckoo land if you think the support for far right parties in France has diminished, unless you mean a slight fall back from the surge after the Paris attack, where it reached 40% in some places.

 

The problem is once Merkel gives the Turks and others a passport some will eventually end up having the right to come to the UK.

 

You need to look at 'workers rights' in France which has caused high unemployment. Employers in France will go to great lengths to avoid taking on more staff. In contrast the UK, with its flexible labour laws has unemployment figures half of those in France whilst still taking hundreds of thousands of EU workers.

 

Once again you have no evidence for this assumption. It takes 8 years residence to gain a German passport (with no exceptions) which involves taking a language and orientation test, even those born in Germany of Turkish parentage are not automatically considered German. In addition Germany only recognizes dual nationality within the EU. Overall the rate of naturalization in Germany is lower than in most other EU. countries and there is (unfortunately) no suggestion that this will change. There are just as many people of Indian/Pakistani/Caribbean origins with British passports who are free to enter Germany. Please check up on the facts before making such unsubstantiated claims.

 

Can you tell me who is paying for the new reactor at Hinckley Point ? Also - there is nobody walking around with both a German and a Turkish passport because dual nationality is not recognized in this case. So, we are either talking about naturalized Germans or people who are still Turkish and therefore cannot vote - so how can Merkel be pandering to the 'Turkish' vote. Where is your evidence that she wants Turkey in the EU. ? Or that she wants more Turks in Germany ? If there were more then they would not vote for her anyway.