Players views on our management.

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Firstly, nobody has ever said that Harry isn't a top man- manager. It's his tactical nous ( or lack of) and general refusal to accept the blame or anything that goes wrong, that rankles.
As to attracting players, there's a little bit more to it than just Harry's personality. There's small details like transfer fees, wages, etc - as we're seeing currently with the ongoing Vertonghen saga.
 
Tactical nous is a little harsh, he hasn't done what he has by being a tactical imbecile. Refusal to accept?....I think thats most managers in public isn't it! Not saying he's god either, its about Spurs and its in the news.

More intersting is Jakes view on the others, many have put a question mark on their opinion of Sherwood and co.
 
Should these views make any difference to our view of Redknapp or his team?

If I was a young footballer earning more money than I ever dreamed of in a top team in a top league I would probably be quite happy with the 'bosses' too.

No surprises and no reason to change my perception of Redknapp.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
I agree that it's of little significance when players show support for their manager. Clubs always want to present a united front.

What's more telling is when players are prepared to criticise a manager whilst playing for him or afterwards. I can't think of any who have had a bad word to say about him, can you?
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Pavlyuchenko, Kranjcar, Corluka, Bent, come to mind.
 
Getting away now from Harry...if we can!...Its not the only subject here, there is the much maligned 'Team Redknapp' who even I have to admit had doubts about, but is it good to hear a player speak well of them or not? :)
 
these quotes and statements prove nothing..the truth is somwhere between all of what the above posters speculate....nobody will say too much negative about Harry whilst working for him...id say the truth is nearer what comes out of those that have left as they left for reasons other than that they are just poor...plus its more about how Harry treats some ovr others..it wont chnge my opinion either...i still stand by the fact that tactically i dont hve confidence in him in the big games...i can give a big list of these matches for the season gone by...and unfortunately i see these being repeated.

As for man management...how does that work? he likes his favourites and couldnt give 2 hoots about the rest..i wouldnt call that good man management.

but im sure there are alot of factors from the players that contributed to them getting frozen out too..not just ability.

ive said alot of negative things about Hary...but if he is our man next season then ill be backing him at least for the first match.

is it true ..as im sure VDV once said...he enjoys it at Spurs under Harry because he doesnt concentrate on tactics and just lets us play?

i can belive ethat because the odd change and they are clueless..its like at the playground when we were kids..it would be same teams v the same team every dinner time..if there was a new addition he would be the quiet one not demanding and behaving shy...reminds me of that...so unless we have a team full of classy players who are intelliegent enough to adapt to their team mates by their own initiative then we wil see alot of patterns we saw last season just gone.


but thats just my view sat from here.
 
As NSIS suggests, I think that there are two sides to the story.
Redknapp seems to get on brilliantly with those in his first XI, plus a few more favoured squad players.
The rest of them don't seem too impressed.

You can see that two ways.
It's either predictable gripes from players that aren't getting as much game time as they'd like or it's not great man management.
Possibly a mixture of the two.

As I've said before, Redknapp's done a very good job for us since he's joined, but I'm not convinced that we can progress much further with him in charge, as he doesn't seem capable of keeping a large squad happy.
We've got an excellent first XI that can give anyone a game and who scare the **** out of a lot of sides, but you need more than that to compete with the best nowdays.
It'll be interesting to see whether we can assemble a decent enough group of back-up players this summer, so that we dispel any doubts, either way.
 
Nothing really to disagree with there PNP, but I'll take your middle paragraph a stage further. Good players are more willing to go to a ManU, ManC, Chelsea, etc knowing they'll be on bench for a bit but also knowing the club will be likely to pull a trophy of some description, and be in with a shout of a title (chavs less of late, but you know what I mean). Would it be fair to suggest those same players would be happy in that capacity at Spurs? We haven't been anywhere near as successful as them, so I'd say probably no, that same calibre of player would probably expect to be in our lineup. Its difficult enough for those top sides to keep a squad happy, let alone one in our position. Good players are less likely to want to be back up here, so we have to make do with....well, what we've got! We're a club caught in the middle it seems, so this particular task imo is more difficult at Spurs than at one of those others mentioned...hope that makes sense.
 
Harry's a great bloke who is a mate to those he loves and anonymous to those he doesn't. So what?

I'd rather us have a manager who scares the absolute crap out of the players, and they'll what they are told exactly as they are told, and when they are told. Preferably, one who has an idea of more than two very basic tactical formations <ok>
 
Nice thought HIAG. Unfortunately, this is not 30-40 years ago. Trying to boss todays's precocious bunch of muti- millionaires, requires a little more tact than the old " my way or the highway" approach. Even Fergie has to be careful about who he applies the hair dryer to nowadays.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Nice thought HIAG. Unfortunately, this is not 30-40 years ago. Trying to boss todays's precocious bunch of muti- millionaires, requires a little more tact than the old " my way or the highway" approach. Even Fergie has to be careful about who he applies the hair dryer to nowadays.
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I'd say that it does still work in modern football - in Italy, Spain, Germany, and anywhere else where players actually listen to their manager, rather than ignore them because they think they know better. Capello achieved a lot in Italy and Spain with this approach, but wasn't able to for England because they didn't follow his instructions and, as I've always maintained, a chunk of the squad were chosen for him and knew it.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
I'd say that it does still work in modern football - in Italy, Spain, Germany, and anywhere else where players actually listen to their manager, rather than ignore them because they think they know better. Capello achieved a lot in Italy and Spain with this approach, but wasn't able to for England because they didn't follow his instructions and, as I've always maintained, a chunk of the squad were chosen for him and knew it.
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I don't think poor old Capello had ever experienced player power like it, until he got here. Look what happened when he tried to take on the rat faced Nazi, he came a distinct second, and had to back off.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I don't think poor old Capello had ever experienced player power like it, until he got here. Look what happened when he tried to take on the rat faced Nazi, he came a distinct second, and had to back off.
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When he was at Real Madrid he had Raul, Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos running the dressing room - he won that one, with only Raul remaining by the end of the season. The difference being at Real he could get rid of disruptive influences, for England he couldn't - because the FA were worried that Nike, Adidas, McDonalds, Pepsi, coca-Cola et al would pull their sponsorship.
 
I have to agree, Croydon.
I was listening to the radio a few years ago and someone mentioned in passing that England's side was influenced by it's sponsorship deals.
They moved past it quickly and I've never heard it mentioned since, but it does add up.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I have to agree, Croydon.
I was listening to the radio a few years ago and someone mentioned in passing that England's side was influenced by it's sponsorship deals.
They moved past it quickly and I've never heard it mentioned since, but it does add up.
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of course they are...as is the Brazilian team and it was Nike who picked their 2002 World cup squad apparently.
 
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