I think deigo has a point though La liga: 1. start date 21st august. compares to us starting 13th august (a week earlier) 2. copa del rey. 5 rounds for la liga clubs starting round of 32 but has 2 legs until final. these EIGHT matches are player in december to feburary (when CL is on a break). final is later in season to make 9 total to win.... this compares to 5 rounds in league cup plus one extra semi (so 6 altogether) plus 6 rounds in FA cup with possible replays.. If a club in europe dumps on cup they would actually play LESS games than barca or real here. 3. winter break. la liga 18th december to 6th january. (call it 3 weeks off but really 2 weeks off plus one week trianing or whatever) in england there will be 3 games in this period plus cup = 4 games 4. copa final 23rd april 5. end date: la liga 21st may comapred to here.. asl 21st may so what does this tell us? a) spain starts LATER b) spain actually thinks about europe and puts copa in the period when there is no europe. England ignores europe and packs in two cups right when CL is on. The groups are disrupted by league cup. FA cup starts getting to real rounds when CL starts again. c) Spain still managed to have a two legged cup AND a winter break so they must pack inthe games IF barca or real do what is expected they would play 38 league games + 6 cups games min (prob 8) plus 6 cl group and min 4 knock out games in cl = 54 games min If english clubs actually go for cups (cheslea etc) the would play 38 games + min 6 in league cup plus 4 say in FA cup plus 6 group CL plus 4 knockout = 58 games.. if no fa cup replays so.... really this seems to say to me that if england wanted to really fix this situation they would a) use copa model for league cup and FA cup. put prem teams in later. at LEAST ONE ROUND LATER IN EACH. b) schedule cups to avoid CL and europa fixtures. c) stop thinking that team must play right through christmas and create a winter break you can keep boxing day fixutre and then have break if you want d) stop whining about playing too much.
Right, in the UK we will not be having a winter break. Festive football is up with pigs in blankets as a Christmas tradition. Regarding the number of games, if as a professional club you can't gather a squad able to push on all fronts then you need to look at whats going wrong. Klopp got his excuse in early, while not having European football to worry about? Okay it may be a problem for Lallana getting out to the strip clubs with games coming thick and fast!
no reason why we couldn't keep the 26th and then break. You are missing the point but i suppose thats understandable given the complete lack of experience with europe and actually winning If your rival sets things up so that the equal amount of games are spread better and enbles better competing in europe then patently this is a good reason to add to the pile of why english clubs fall apart every feburary and march. If any english club wants to win in europe it needs to be better able to play the group phases and not so knackered when the last 16 comes about that it has half a chance of competing.
I agree with pj's about his point on tradition ,but not the stupid point on trying to wum our club lol. All the prem clubs want a winter break, but don't think I could handle 2 weeks of mafia Bollocks Xmas in this country has always enjoyed the footie over the festive period.
IF other countries can organise themselves and move games to ensure a wee break there is NO reason why this could be be tean in two weeks in january. none. If we want a league cup then organise such that 20 prem clubs come in to a last 32 even... then theres 5 league cup games, no two legs no replays to win it and have it played off early. If the FA cup is to survive then play similarly.
It's not a wum, its true. People always laugh at Arsenal and how they fail at the last 16 of the CL....because.....the squad they have is not good enough! If you want to win in the PL/FA Cup or Europe but fail........it's not the amount of games....it's the quality of the squad. Klopps point on England doing badly in the major competitions.....How many English players would (hypothetically) get into the Germany, French, Spanish first 11's
They probably could do that mito if they wanted to. But when has the fa ever given a ****e about English clubs fixtures in Europe? never. Also why would I want time off over festive period if no footie to enjoy. I miss most week time games as working. Just because you like mafia games doesn't mean we all do Be just like summer holidays on here lol. dead.
true i suppose... but as i said if not december then after new years day. 2 weeks break in schedule. simple... its about being able to complete properly not seeing lfc play plymouths with a b team.
Rafa used to do well in Europe. Maybe the quality of English clubs in Europe has gone down hill since we haven't been in it Arsenal will get it right, but sadly for wenger who made that team what it is, whilst he's there not sure they will.
they have always blown it in February. Wenger blows it cos he plays the full team over Christmas every game and crocks his players like sanchez and the rest and they just then implode. Rafa over played gerrard and torres... he crocked them but he would rotate others aorund them and got called a tinkerman.
Since loads bang on about having a break but it's tradition in this country to have lots of football played over the festive period, why not have a January break? Personally, I don't see how a break helps. Having a break just means the gashes ate squeezed into a shorter space of time (whether that be before or after said break)
A break that matches the ACON would be a good idea..... But Liverpool / Arsenal / United would go on Tour to make additional cash for club / get bigger sponsorship deals so wouldn't be a benefit
they would at minimum go on warm weather training camp. Its not like barca or real don't. but they do give players a week off. The rest is form intensity. While spanish players have the feet up english players are playing 5/6 games and come feburary they get done over
Go look at spanish league then. its just a little break before the cl starts up and these teams just get a little boost. If anyhting we are lucky the spanish knacker their players with 2 legged copa games... not that they play first teams anyway.
Or when teams had one sub, players drank and yet Liverpool / Forest / Villa were winning in Europe? If English players are ****, no break in the world will help make them better. The overseas players in the PL don't seem to have a problem playing all these games and performing well in summer tournaments. The FA Cup will remain a key part of the fixture list and the LC is something clubs can decide if they wish to play a weakened side in.
Thats simple enough. What competition did chelsea or utd or arsenal have back then? frankly there was A) juve issues B) bayern issues C) real issues. D) no psg Also... no city so the top 4 were a lock and teams were resting players in league games to play cl. Finally only chelsea too league cup serious trying to win it all and nobody cared. now its #melt at the enirates if he dares. As of today we are seeing teams rest players in europe and be critised but they are resting them to play league. At least we can agree the prem is better for having 6 teams up at the top fight rather than one or two like other leagues and we dont want to change that. But.... if it is better then we need to enable them to also do better in europe by having said break
Could just make the PL fixtures over xmas less congested, keep the boxing day fixture and play FA cup on week nights freeing up weekends for PL?
