That's not proof or consistency! You claimed it was from the greatest of minds and when you couldn't prove anything then went to Qur'an but why would you believe in the Qur'an for that bit? And even then something didn't come from nothing according to the Qur'an, it was God behind it all, so if that's your evidence then you surely must accept there is a God!
It matters as having a statue doesn't ascertain a different God or pagan origins Take hubal was he moon God as suggested by some or a physical form of polytheism or monotheism? Is the cross pagan?
I don't believe the koran. I think it has some good, largely pagan bits, and some other bits added to control the masses. I mentioned it because you refuse to accept the considered views of some of the world's greatest minds, and still claimed something cannot come from nothing. I was simply highlighting that, taken holistically, your argument is blasphemous. You can either accept something comes from nothing, as per your 'authoritative' book and lose the argument. Or you can crack on, and be a blasphemer. It's not me spending eternity in damnation either way.
So you agree their were more than one deities stored in the kaaba pre-islam. I reckon there were 30 plus. As Islam didn't exist, what faith were the followers of those deities? Oh and yes, the cross is pagan.
In your 'reality' perhaps. Here on earth, you've failed all ends up to support your position. Have a look at Dongshan He's work on the Wheeler-De-Witt equation, and give me your considered, personal review.
I've offered it several times and from several people You just whimper out and lie. If you'd bothered to look up the last reference I posted, you had a gimme, as it is arguable if it proves it at all. I just wanted to see if you had the wit to work that out. As your God says something can be created from nothing, you'd be as well practicing your defense now, rather than waiting for judgement day to try and defend your lies and blasphemy.
Why do I need to go through someones work and look it up? surely you have references for your claims rather than oh read so on so and let me know!
You don't have to go through it. You probably wouldn't understand it if you did, but as I'm offering it as proof of claim, the ball is in your court to check the references and say specifically why they don't support it. That ball is squarely in your court. I can see why you can't believe that something can be created from nothing, as that seems to be what you're desperately trying to do with your avoidance, blasphemy and lies in this exchange.
When did I say the cross wasn't pagan? It certainly is. Unlike you, I did answer the question. I'm guessing you mean the one about the moon god? Yep, he was one of a number of deities in the pagan kaaba. Hadith Bukhari 3:43:658 Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka’aba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: “Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished.” So, your answers? How many deities in the pagan kaaba, As islam didn't exist, what religion(s) were the worshipers at the kaaba?
Why are you quoting me verses that i am aware of? Hubal isn't/wasn't a moon god And I said how can the cross be pagan according to your earlier definitions?
