As far as I know it was refused because no one on the council could make a decision about the area and sat on it for months before it was refused, why would Stand have objected?
The Council can't sit on decisions like that. Planning Applications have deadlines that have to be met. They also can't reject things on a whim, the planning inspectorate don't let them. Here's the Yorkshire Post article from 2003. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...s-of-port-s-fishing-past-threatened-1-2520417 There's some other background on this link. http://www.academia.edu/7773004/Tal...y_city_with_David_Atkinson_and_Derek_Spooner_
The sad fact is, that the Lord Line building itself is worthless, the site would be worth more if the building wasn't there, it would be far cheaper for a new build than a restoration. That gives the council an advantage, as they could probably buy it for almost nothing, though they'd then have to find someone to pass it on to, they're never going to develop it themselves. In an ideal world, a good developer would get on board to convert it to residential, with restaurants and bars on the ground floor, along with the Fishing Heritage Centre all done with the assistance of the Lottery Fund and possibly a European regeneration grant.
As far as I know, if the Council want rid of something they've CPO'd, they have to give first refusal to the previous owner. They'd also be unlikely to get it for almost nothing, as outside agencies can be brought in to set the price. There's more mileage in forcing the owner to do the work. Unfortunately, life just isn't black and white.
No it was definitely not that, he wanted to retain the building and turn it into a hotel, once that was done he reasoned that like the old town the area would regenerate. You obviously have had no dealings with planning have you, the best way to get plans through is to buy a box of brown envelopes, fill them with cash and find a backhand to put them in.
Did your mate own it at the time? Good luck with that method. Out of interest, who would you give that envelope to, as no one person makes the decision alone, particularly with a large development. It'd be far cheaper to just get it right. You could always check out the planning portal for appeals and actions where the planning authority haven't processed application in due time, and all refusals have to have clear reasons. If they don't it'd be overturned on appeal.
I often ask myself, how did Prince Quay ever get planning? It's a terrible eyesore that swamped all the old buildings, also why didn't the old Lincoln Castle paddle ferry get permission to get a permanent berth in Princes dock, I wonder if the two are linked? Maybe this will explain a lot, oh and the story of Hesslewood Hall Hotel is a good one http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Brea...nt-warehouse/story-19735042-detail/story.html
So he got the planning permission he applied for In that article. It reads as though his later talks were not so much about planning, but other matters. It's probable that the Allams could make similar claims in the future. Did anyone apply for planning permission for the ferry in the dock? If they did, the decision record will be available to view. Using your comment in the earlier reply, why didn't he offer the brown envelope to your all powerful mystery person?
I don't know if any brown envelopes were exchanged but that was always an anecdote given for unusual planning permissions, my original point was, Daly wanted to buy the Lord Line Building and turn it into a hotel which might have encouraged further regeneration, planning was not given and look what has happened to the building since. Now given his history of regenerating old buildings in Hull, many of which I have and still am working on, I would have thought the Lord Line would have fared much better in his hands than Manor Properties who seem to be waiting on compulsory purchase to make their profit, by that time the building will be totally derelict. Hull City Council planners have held back this City for decades that's why it suffers like it does, the Abercrombie Plan for the City centre after the war and its rebuttal was a marker for things to come.
So it was the sale, not the planning that held it up. If he had applied for planning permission, there'll be a decision record available for all to see. It will give the reasons and they are open to appeal. No individual is in a position to give planning permission no matter how much they're paid. Whoever is telling you these anecdotes is misleading you. As for the Abercrombie Plan, it was local businesses and the chamber of trade that pushed for its rejection. At that time, I don't think there was a planning department as such. By the time the Council had a planning Department, the traders and businesses had expanded into areas that prevented the plan being implemented anyway.
Here's a short article on the Abercrombie Plan in Hull. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...IQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNFSKM2V-sWX54K0gU1R_mNXcRH0OA
Who are you Cllr Brady? As far as I know he sought planning to turn it into a hotel before purchase, but the process took so long the opportunity was lost, he has many stories about the council, the conservation society, the Avenues lot who at one time or another do their best to hold up regeneration.
Dutch you seem to be saying there is no way you can corrupt the process? There is always a way if enough money is involved i expect. http://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co...n-probe-&catid=63:planning-articles&Itemid=31 I dont know what happened in this case to be fair.
The Avenues and conservation lot aren't planners or the Council. I can only repeat, if he had applied for planning permission, the application and documents are free and available on the web. They'll have the reason for the refusal or acceptance. If, as it looks, he never applied, you can't really blame planners for a delay in the process. I'm not a Councilor or a planner, it's just that I've heard so many stories like these I looked into some, and I've yet to find one with legs.
I wouldn't say that there's no way, but there's no way you can do it with one person, at least not for permission. Individual elements of the application could perhaps get approval like that, but it'd come back to bite later if it caused a problem. I'd argue that the five in that article are a minimum in getting something through, and even then they'd struggle. Generally, if something needs that degree of bribery, it'd shine out through the process. There's so many different groups and individuals involved, one of them would yell out. That's assuming you pick the right five councillors and approach them discretely. It'd be easier and possibly cheaper to do it properly. My main point is people blaming the council, when on many occasions it isn't. I just prefer the mud to hit the right targets.
