The club is now in the modern era - no more managers for life or empire building. Just look at the massive sums of money washing around the PL and you can see that now, more than ever before, football is a results-based business, no more, no less. The more successful the club, the more the revenues pile up from TV money, competition money, sponsors, commercial deals and so on. It really is no more complicated than that. Any club manager, the same as a company CEO, is only as good as their recent results as these have a direct impact on the bottom line - just look at how our failure to reach the CL last year is rumoured to have cost the club something like £44 million and with 50% (£35 million) of the annual Adidas sponsorship deal payment being contingent on the club reaching the CL in each of the next five seasons, if we don't buck up our ideas on the pitch the club could be down another £40+ mill this season too - something the GG's won't tolerate. From now on I can see that the top clubs will all refresh their managers every three or so years just to bring in fresh ideas, training methods and players. We are no different in that regard - we need to stop harping back to the good old days of SAF - SAF was a unique man of his time who virtually built up around him every facet of this club and his like will never be seen again in the modern game. We need to get used to ringing the changes every 3 years or so just like Barca, Bayern, RM etc - all of whom don't seem to have suffered as a result, indeed the opposite is true, they have continued to be successful whereas we have stagnated.
Both are set up to not actually require a manager. The ideas stay largely the same, regardless of manager. Thats why they are so successful.
Got what? You got snake eyes, that's it. A proposed theory of some grand plan that's gone tits up. So you're not calling for his head then... Backtracking?
Go ahead and point out where. I suspect I will be waiting a while if others are anything to go by though. Saying he should walk, isn't say he should be sacked. He should walk so he can retire on his terms. He's nothing to prove in the game and he looks broken. Which is sad but evident of the job at hand. The plans going well behind scenes. Theirs more to the club than what's happening on the pitch.
I've already pointed it out in that post numbnuts So explain to me how him being sacked or calling for him to walk isn't the same as wanting him out of the club??? And who gives a fck what he does once he's left. WTF has that got to do with you saying he needs to leave.
Walking on his terms is very different to being sacked. And most decent fans, those with an ounce of class, will at least respect him for it, even if they don't like him. Others will call him a coward, for quitting of course, but those people are morons, clearly. probably children who dont know any better. So not worth paying attention to those people.
We tried. Fans weren't happy. So that's that idea scrapped. City will probably go and do it now whole we scratch our heads wondering why.
You're splitting hairs. I've quoted you saying you want him gone. Whether he's sacked or walks, the result is the same. Him gone. Ergo this so-called plan you're harping on about has failed by your own accounts. Move on
Personally, he should stay. Realistically, the pressure is huge and I don't think a ten game winning streak would get some off his back so rather than be sacked, he should walk. Given time, he would sort this but time has to be earned and recent months haven't gone well. He knows this, you can see it just looking at him. No reason to gloat over it, and it will take a big man to do it. If you gave me a choice, he stays, barring Pep. Which I've been saying for weeks.
One of the big problems is that when you look at our upcoming fixtures it is impossible to guess, even remotely accurately, how any of them will turn out. Under LVG it is hard to see how we will hack out a win even against the lower teams (and even at home) as has been borne out by recent results. If we match our last ten results against those around us in the table and imagine that our next ten games give us all the same points tally, then we will have dropped to 10th - and that by mid February, so absolutely no chance of making up the ground that late in the season. By that measure it seems logical that if we are to preserve any hope of CL football in 2016/17 (and with it the £35 mill of Adidas money), then we need to act now - a 'wait and see' approach under LVG is no longer an option.
Hope is definitely not a strategy. The results in the past two months have been way below par and the team is stuck in reverse mode. It is exactly why now is the best time to make a change. But the options are not as rich.
Guess any results this season. You won't have much luck. Its been mental. Palace, Watford and Leicester in the top 6? At Christmas? Very unusual. Managers like van Gaal, Mourinho, Klopp all finding it tough going, top scorer a non league player not long ago, the best defender, also a non league player not too long back.
Possibly. Although with it being announced LVG is leaving at the end of next season could it really make things worse if it was announced who was replacing him? If the replacement is out of work that is.
Aye, it would make sense if we could secure someone that far in advance. But ultimately we are unlikely to convince Guardiola or Mourinho or whoever to wait 18 months to join us. The only way we could announce a successor early would be to admit we are getting rid of LVG in the summer, which just undermines the rest of our season. You only have to look at how the Chelsea players have responded once they saw they could get rid of Mourinho to see how bad a lame duck can be as a manager. As much as I'd like to think Utd players have a bit more character than Chelsea's mercs, I doubt they would be entirely committed to a manager who has basically been told he is getting fired in six months time.
Many 'reports' in the press that LVG has been given two games to save himself. All rubbish of course, how can anything change in just two matches and what guarantee would the board have that any perceived improvement would carry through the rest of the season. In the unlikely event that there is any substance to the stories, it will be interesting to see how the players react - will they do a Chelsea and down tools knowing that will rid them of LVG or will they give it a go to save his skin. Should be intersting to watch and see if anything obvious changes in terms of our tactics of the players effort.
A positive result against Stoke and/or Chelsea means **** all, it would be a short termist view/solution. The board have to decide big picture whether LVG is the right man to take United forwards over the next 6-18 months. He will no doubt want a significant amount to be committed to further player investment as the squad still needs work due to a haphazard approach to transfers in and out since he took over. The board also needs to consider whether they want United to be known as a club that plays turgid football. I suppose they would consider that if it brought results and success. The problem LVG has at the minute is that massive investment has led to turgid football and poor results. The board, like the vast majority of fans, may be starting to wonder whether he's doing a good job...
