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Yes, Slavery Still Exists — These Countries Are the Worst Offenders
Abused, deprived, exploited, enslaved.
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By Joe McCarthy
May 22, 2017
The cover story in the latest issue of the Atlantic is a personal history titled “My Family’s Slave.”
The author, Alex Tizon, goes on to chronicle just that — how his mother in the Philippines was gifted a slave when she was 15, how she brought that slave with her to the United States, and how that slave remained a slave for his mother’s entire life, working all day and night without pay, unable to have a social life and enduring endless abuse.
The story is harrowing in its candid exploration of one slave’s experience and its description of how one family managed to normalize slavery through profound denial
But it’s also a disturbing reminder of how slavery still exists all around the world.
Globally, there are an estimated 45.8 million slaves, a greater number than at any other time in history, according to The Global Slavery Index. The refugee crisis currently roiling the world is also fueling the market for child slavery.
Slavery takes many forms, but sexual, labor-based, and human trafficking are the primary modes.
 
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Not sure which of you have heard of Jordan Peterson but he's emerged as a bit of a champion against some of the nonsense of the PC world in which we live.

He came to fame on the basis that he objected to Canadian law making it illegal to not refer to trans person by their preferred pronoun. He was NOT against doing so but believes that the new law censored free speech which he saw as a very dangerous road to journey on. This bit of the debate starts at 22 mins and at one point he leave a the normally vociferous Newman speechless by his argument.

Well worth a view as are some of the other videos.
 
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Not sure which of you have heard of Jordan Peterson but he's emerged as a bit of a champion against some of the nonsense of the PC world in which we live.

He came to fame on the basis that he objected to Canadian law making it illegal to not refer to trans person by their preferred pronoun. He was NOT against doing so but believes that the new law censored free speech which he saw as a very dangerous road to journey on. This bit of the debate starts at 22 mins and at one point he leave a the normally vociferous Newman speechless by his argument.

Well worth a view as are some of the other videos.
He’s a very clever man and excellent at presenting his viewpoint and debating, and I agree with some of what he says, but when you look at what lies behind his comments he also seems rather unhinged in my view.

Before he became a media personality he did proper research and he came up with a useful distinction - PC egalitarianism, the classic liberal position (and where I probably stand) and PC authoritarianism, which is where we have the problems.

Personally I think the overall trend of the last 40 years to be more ‘PC’ has been mostly very positive when you think of the daily ignorant and callous upset that was caused in the past. It seems that a lot of this might still be going on at some level, but certainly less than there was. It’s the stupid extreme stuff which we need to cut out without throwing out the rest at the same time.

We all actually live in the grey areas, but it seems we can only talk about things in black and white.
 
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He’s a very clever man and excellent at presenting his viewpoint and debating, and I agree with some of what he says, but when you look at what lies behind his comments he also seems rather unhinged in my view.

Before he became a media personality he did proper research and he came up with a useful distinction - PC elagitarianism, the classic liberal position (and where I probably stand) and PC authoritarianism, which is where we have the problems.

Personally I think the overall trend of the last 40 years to be more ‘PC’ has been mostly very positive when you think of the daily ignorant and callous upset that was caused in the past. It seems that a lot of this might still be going on at some level, but certainly less than there was. It’s the stupid extreme stuff which we need to cut out without throwing out the rest at the same time.

We all actually live in the grey areas, but it seems we can only talk about things in black and white.

And it's exactly the authoritarian aspect he took on with the Canadian legislature.

I've watched quie a few interviews and not seen anything I would consider unhinged though he's certainly stirred up at times!
 
Peterson certainly divides opinion...He roasted Kathy Newman on C4 news last year ( don't have link ) but not sure I agree with all his views. He certainly talks a good talk but he definitely thinks he is above everyone else..
 
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He’s a very clever man and excellent at presenting his viewpoint and debating, and I agree with some of what he says, but when you look at what lies behind his comments he also seems rather unhinged in my view.
Agree with Sb on this. Clever guy and fab to listen to but sometimes he goes off on one and doesn't actually commit to something.
Maybe that's what I am doing wrong when debating! I should never commit to a view!
 
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Agree with Sb on this. Clever guy and fab to listen to but sometimes he goes off on one and doesn't actually commit to something.
Maybe that's what I am doing wrong when debating! I should never commit to a view!

I don't see it like that. He resists having views foisted in him by the likes of Newman when he considers there are deeper issues that have not been addressed which make it very difficult for a soundbite yes or no answer or black and white view. I agree with Stan that we live in the grey areas and I think Peterson's answers (sometimes) reflect that.
 
Agree with Sb on this. Clever guy and fab to listen to but sometimes he goes off on one and doesn't actually commit to something.
Maybe that's what I am doing wrong when debating! I should never commit to a view!
I don't see it like that. He resists having views foisted in him by the likes of Newman when he considers there are deeper issues that have not been addressed which make it very difficult for a soundbite yes or no answer or black and white view. I agree with Stan that we live in the grey areas and I think Peterson's answers (sometimes) reflect that.
So you both agree with me but disagree with each other?

I need a drink.
 
Kleenex bins 'Mansize' tissues
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Kleenex is scrapping "Mansize" branding from its tissue boxes after 60 years on the shelves as consumers called it out for being sexist.

The company said the tissues would now be called "Extra Large".

The change comes as one customer questioned the firm after her four-year-old son asked if "girls, boys and mummies" can use them.

Kleenex didn't confirm a release date but told shoppers to "keep an eye out" for the new boxes.

Kleenex For Men first launched in 1956, offering an alternative to large cotton handkerchiefs that were still popular at the time, and claiming to "stay strong when wet".

Online critics tweeted Kleenex to ask them why its products still used the term "Mansize", saying "the world is changing" and that "it is 2018".

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Kleenex thanked customers for their concern and confirmed the new "Extra Large" labelling.

The BBC has approached Kleenex for comment, but the company has yet to respond.

However, in a statement given to the Daily Telegraph, a spokesman for its parent company, Kimberly-Clark, said the firm was registering "a consistent increase of complaints on gender concern".

He added: "Kimberly-Clark in no way suggests that being both soft and strong is an exclusively masculine trait, nor do we believe that the Mansize branding suggests or endorses gender inequality.

"Nevertheless, as we remain committed to developing the best possible products for our consumers and take any feedback extremely seriously, we decided to renovate our current product and update the product subbrand as Kleenex Extra Large."

Stronger regulation
The Advertising Standards Authority - which regulates adverts in the UK - told the BBC it had not received any complaints about the product, but it was carrying out "a significant amount of work around gender stereotypes in ads".

Plans include setting new standards on adverts that feature stereotypical gender roles or characteristics, and cracking down on those which mock people for not conforming to stereotypes.
 
Kleenex bins 'Mansize' tissues
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Kleenex is scrapping "Mansize" branding from its tissue boxes after 60 years on the shelves as consumers called it out for being sexist.

The company said the tissues would now be called "Extra Large".

The change comes as one customer questioned the firm after her four-year-old son asked if "girls, boys and mummies" can use them.

Kleenex didn't confirm a release date but told shoppers to "keep an eye out" for the new boxes.

Kleenex For Men first launched in 1956, offering an alternative to large cotton handkerchiefs that were still popular at the time, and claiming to "stay strong when wet".

Online critics tweeted Kleenex to ask them why its products still used the term "Mansize", saying "the world is changing" and that "it is 2018".

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Kleenex thanked customers for their concern and confirmed the new "Extra Large" labelling.

The BBC has approached Kleenex for comment, but the company has yet to respond.

However, in a statement given to the Daily Telegraph, a spokesman for its parent company, Kimberly-Clark, said the firm was registering "a consistent increase of complaints on gender concern".

He added: "Kimberly-Clark in no way suggests that being both soft and strong is an exclusively masculine trait, nor do we believe that the Mansize branding suggests or endorses gender inequality.

"Nevertheless, as we remain committed to developing the best possible products for our consumers and take any feedback extremely seriously, we decided to renovate our current product and update the product subbrand as Kleenex Extra Large."

Stronger regulation
The Advertising Standards Authority - which regulates adverts in the UK - told the BBC it had not received any complaints about the product, but it was carrying out "a significant amount of work around gender stereotypes in ads".

Plans include setting new standards on adverts that feature stereotypical gender roles or characteristics, and cracking down on those which mock people for not conforming to stereotypes.

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