Probably. He'll become a martyr to the ignorant twats. In reality he's a murderer and a coward.
Off Topic Paris Attacks !
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I'll chime in (sorry, didn't think I'd end up typing all that I did...)
First up.. I'm a Muslim.. there I said it...
Secondly, my ethnic origin is Pakistani..
I'm born and breed in the UK...
Educated (sort of..) don't remember much of Uni...
Been working ever since Uni.. not taken a penny from the government
I'm married... Two kids, boy and girl...
I'm a Liverpool fan..
I have issues supporting the England cricket team when they play against Pakistan (not going great in the ODI's but its the Tests that count).. otherwise, I'm proud to wear the rose/three lions...
I like golf, the only sport I've ever been half decent at..
Anyone back on topic... forgive me, not read through all the comments.. so some points may have been addressed...
I'd categorise myself has a moderate western assimilated Muslim..
I don't preach hate (well that's a lie, I've bought up my son to hate Man United..)
I'm against taking of lives, be they innocent or ones that some may think "deserve" to die, you know, kiddy fiddlers, serial killers, rapist, George Bush and Tony Blair...
I've been bought up that way, by my parents, who, shock horror are Muslims too.. my kids have been bought up with similar values and I hope they take these on board and add to them with good values of their own!
As a Muslim, I could do better, I don't always pray five times a day.. I watch the odd bit of Porn... but other than the odd "vice" (excessive amounts of golf) I'm good man (I think), I don't and have never done drugs, smoked, drunk alcohol, that to a certain degree was due to my up bringing as a Muslim, peer pressure was never an issue, to do such things never interested me, plus I saved loads of money not being addicted to that ****e..
I have no issues with Gay people, people of different race (no, I won't use the.. "I've some black/white mates" I do but I won't...), religion or lack of religion, we're all human, we all have flaws, and as long as this flaws aren't fundamentally wrong, then don't hate, learn from one another..
I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of the Muslims in the UK are more like me than the nut jobs that continue to hijack my religion..
What are we as a community doing about IT?
Within my extended family, we're doing our best to uphold our beliefs and morals..
Within the mosque I attend. I know the Imam has forever preached to everyone for inclusion, be part of the community for the greater good of the community, be a positive not a negative, be a giver not a taker.
I will agree to a certain degree, that some communities tend to keep matters in house, I think that should be stopped, I'd rather my family be "shamed" for handing in a relative with "non-islamic" beliefs than see said person go on to kill one person, I would like to add that this attitude however has nothing to do with Islam but more to do with a cultural up bringing of these communities..
Bit like the IRA not handing in one of their own, or the KKK for banishing a dragon because he dared to look at a black woman and thought, "you know what, I would!" I digress..
Now, if I may, add my grievance to this debate... Am I entilted to have one.. seen some express there's in this thread and its become an "agenda" I have no agenda..
Given the good my mosque tries to do, why is this institution not highlighted more and many others like it in the UK? Not saying don't report on the Mosque that is preaching hate, by all means, do so, but ever heard about balance?
The majority of news on Islam/Imams, Mosque's is, for want of a better word, bad, so, the main stream folk, who like their news spoon feed, automatically assume Mosque = Bad = Islam = Terrorist = Bunch of ****s!
So by the general tarring of Islam I am a ****? and Islam is full of nut job hate filled terrorists? From my point of view, that couldn't be further from the truth..
Going back to my "Moderate" Islamic practice.. I for one don't preach about it, I simply don't have enough knowledge on Islam, but I'm pretty certain I know more about it than 99% of non-Muslims...
Yet whenever IS/Talaban commit an atrocity everyone becomes an expert, that does make laugh, you have no intrinsic knowledge of the religion, you nit pick at certain verses in the Koran similar to the like of IS, you/they take the part they believe benefits them/their agenda/news circulation.
A bit back ground on the Koran.. One of the wonders of the Koran was the language it was written in.. its written in a very poetic form of Arabic, a form that if interpreted incorrectly can mean something totally different, now there were four main Imam's, Abu Hanifa, Malik, Al-Shafi and Ahmad Ibn Hanbal they spent their entire lives researching the Koran and its meaning as well as associating the teachings of the Prophet PBUH (otherwise known has Hadith) with the teachings in the Koran itself, you can't have one without the other.. did you know that?
Given this, what makes anyone (I include myself in this..) that's not done similar, that doesn't have a grasp on the Arabic the Koran is written in, never spoke to those that were in the company of our Prophet PBUH, as the Imam's I've mentioned above have, how do they become an expert? Because they did a Goggle search, listened Fox News or BBC Middle Correspondent??
My local Imam, who is a lovely humble man, he claims not to know everything about Islam, far from it and on occasions will defer to his teachers (Mufti's) for advice..
Before I go on.. as anyone lost a relative to a terrorist act carried our by the IS/Taliban?
I have.. I have lost 4 family members, two uncles, a cousin and a nephew...
They didn't blow themselves up... They were fighting the Taliban... For you and me.. Did you light a candle for them? start a Twitter campaign hold a moments silence... these guys were Muslims...
The Taliban and IS have killed more Muslims than Westerners! Where's the outrage when they die?
Again, I'm a moderate Muslim with good western values, but even I get "outraged" by the blatant double standards in the media in its reporting of events..
Muslims killed by IS/Taliban.. meh...
IS/Taliban kill non-muslims, outrage (I'll include myself, I'm outraged too but I'm also outraged when Muslims are killed to, no more no less!)
I could go on.. but I need to go post in the Brazilian GP thread...
In short, the killings on Friday saddened me, I cried, loss of life is sad time.
Do I as a Muslim feel I need to apologies for the actions of these terrorists, no, because its MY BELIEF that the idiots that carried out these actions are not Muslims, they're members of nut job cult that twists the teachings to suit their own beliefs!
If I did apologies, would I then be entitled to apology from every one that voted for Labour? After all it was Blair that invaded Iraq on a lie and killed millions of innocent people and lead to the death (unnecessary) of our service men and woman, the same applies to all those that voted in George Bush (twice FFS!)
The world is broke, it needs fixing, not sure those in charge have a clue how to do it.. because, those that are in charge are has morally corrupt as those they wish to defeat...
Dickhead
Why would it need to be underlying? It's not a taboo you dumb ****.
I hate religion with a passion, but guess what, in a democratic society that's my choice to do that.
This is the 21st century pal, it's about time you stopped believing in these ridiculous fairy tales because until religion is banished mankind will never be able to progress and move forward the way that it should. Man in the sky, it's just ****ing stupid
on the one hand you tell me its a democratic society and you can do what you want, on the other hand your telling me to stop believing in what I want
What a clown, you came on behaving like an arsehole (as usual), calling everybody ****s. You labelled all Sunderland fans, the favour was swiftly returned to you
lol trying to justify your buddies.
thanks for the sandwich....I vilified what I saw
this is a chat forum. I was passing through and I saw a comment I wished to comment on. Not because I was wumming but because I thought it was out of order. I have seen lesser things defended on here. the comment was regards some prisoners apparently who celebrated the Paris attacks. now had someone replied that they are idiots, disrespectful.....or even thrown profanities. I would have agreed most likely with that comment. However all I read was bile aimed at a religion..i happen to follow that religion..so i will say something, as ive said before, lesser things are defended on here, like how good is Sam Allerdyce..or **** for that matter and half of you lot would be up in arms if in disagreement.
so chill the **** out....and take it if your being pulled up with a valid reason...not my fault it makes you think.
ill let you carry on...enjoy
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I'd have him sentenced to a lifetime of cleaning the Ellerslie Road toilets at Loftus Road while watching a loop of Louis Van Gaal half time team talks.
Live blog: Paris police siege 'over' as mastermind of attacks is targetted
The hunt for the mastermind of the Paris attacks took an extraordinary twist today when it emerged that he was believed to be hiding in a flat in the French capital, which became the scene of a deadly police raid.
Two people are reported to have died - including a woman in a suicide vest who is thought to have blown herself up - while another seven were arrested as heavily armed units launched an operation targeting Islamic State militant Abdelhamid Abaaoud.
The hunt for the mastermind of the Paris attacks took an extraordinary twist today when it emerged that he was believed to be hiding in a flat in the French capital, which became the scene of a deadly police raid.
Two people are reported to have died - including a woman in a suicide vest who is thought to have blown herself up - while another seven were arrested as heavily armed units launched an operation targeting Islamic State militant Abdelhamid Abaaoud.
So they've arrested 7 jihadis today. What have the ****ers achieved? They haven't got their virgins. They haven't become "martyrs". They're just going to spend the rest of their lives as the sexual playthings of a bunch of prison queens. How's your god going to help you when you've got a cock up your arse?!
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Anne, 29, and Pierre-Yves Guyomard, 32, from Paris pictured here on their wedding day. They were both killed at the Bataclan. (Christophe Van Huffel/Leslie
Winer via AP)
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Pierre Innocenti, 40, and Stephane Albertini, the co-owners of Chez Livio restaurant in Neuilly-sur-Seine. A customer said: "They were so kind and really well-
known around here. They were murdered at ...
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Gilles Leclerc, 32, a florist from Paris. He is pictured here with his wife Marianne at the Bataclan, just before gunmen entered the concert. Marianne survived the ordeal
Were they targeting men with facial hair? Seems a bit strange for anyone following an Abrahamic religion.
Eagles of Death Metal is safe, 'horrified' by Paris attacks
The U.S. band was set to perform at the Bataclan when the deadly attacks occurred. Last Friday's night of terror in Paris killed 129 people and wounded over 350 others.
"Our thoughts and hearts are first and foremost with our brother Nick Alexander, our record company comrades Thomas Ayad, Marie Mosser, and Manu Perez, and all the friends and fans whose lives were taken in Paris, as well as their friends, families, and loved ones," the band said in a statement released Wednesday.
Eagles of Death Metal released a new album, "Zipper Down," last month and were on a European tour. The band said all shows are on hold until further notice.
"Although bonded in grief with the victims, the fans, the families, the citizens of Paris, and all those affected by terrorism, we are proud to stand together, with our new family, now united by a common goal of love and compassion," the band said.
Eagles of Death Metal was formed in 1998 in Palm Desert, California. Josh Homme, one of the founders of the band and leader of the band Queens of the Stone Age, wasn't performing in Paris with Eagles of Death Metal.
The band closed its statement by thanking "the French police, the FBI, the U.S. and French State Departments, and especially all those at ground zero with us who helped each other as best they could during this unimaginable ordeal, proving once again that love overshadows evil."
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The U.S. band was set to perform at the Bataclan when the deadly attacks occurred. Last Friday's night of terror in Paris killed 129 people and wounded over 350 others.
"Our thoughts and hearts are first and foremost with our brother Nick Alexander, our record company comrades Thomas Ayad, Marie Mosser, and Manu Perez, and all the friends and fans whose lives were taken in Paris, as well as their friends, families, and loved ones," the band said in a statement released Wednesday.
Eagles of Death Metal released a new album, "Zipper Down," last month and were on a European tour. The band said all shows are on hold until further notice.
"Although bonded in grief with the victims, the fans, the families, the citizens of Paris, and all those affected by terrorism, we are proud to stand together, with our new family, now united by a common goal of love and compassion," the band said.
Eagles of Death Metal was formed in 1998 in Palm Desert, California. Josh Homme, one of the founders of the band and leader of the band Queens of the Stone Age, wasn't performing in Paris with Eagles of Death Metal.
The band closed its statement by thanking "the French police, the FBI, the U.S. and French State Departments, and especially all those at ground zero with us who helped each other as best they could during this unimaginable ordeal, proving once again that love overshadows evil."
Doesn't really help anyone though. A nice thought but accepting something horrible doesn't make it any better or easier than hate. Hate can be a driving force though and be turned into something positive. Obviously it can have the opposite effect too.
If someone took the person away that I loved, I would hate them. Despise them. I wouldnt let them ruin my life though.
If someone took the person away that I loved, I would hate them. Despise them. I wouldnt let them ruin my life though.
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As I've previously stated Sis, I work in a rail control centre in York. In any given week there is at least one (I sometimes think, fatuous) time-consuming, resource-sapping security 'exercise/simulation', usually involving scuttling about the handful of BTP officers and their dog that supposedly patrol the whole of the North of England when they could be doing 'real' work. A pain in the arse it is too.
Up until now, in my own selfish little world, I have put it down to politicians and the DofT trying to look like they're doing something, just in case something does happen (that you just wouldn't be able to stop anyway, unless you introduced WWII style restrictions and ID papers on every passenger journey on the network). Now, however, I see it for what it it - the Israelis are planning a grand attack so that they can cement their control of the banks, and the BTP's yellow-lab sniffer dog is really a shape-shifting lizard.
I'll be keeping a damn keen eye out for those hologram trains in future. We'll know they're not real if the bastards run on time.