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highburyal said:
Isn't that one of the reasons why we are where are today? We destroyed Iraq, Libya and helping destroy Syria and leaving/training these pockets of rebels and terrorists, that eventually come after the west!

I am not expecting you to feel sorry, what I am saying is if you don't care about killing innocents in the ME to achieve your goals then surely you cant expect them to care about killing innocents in the West? Anyone that justifies innocents being killed to get what they want is pathetic in my view.

Why not destroy the Oil Fields that are under the control of ISIS as well? Because it doesn't suit us to do that as we will want them and need them from the puppets we setup at some stage.
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I'm not going to go back over history. If we did that we could find a way to,justify just about anything that ever happened.

As has been pointed out, ISIS are killing more Muslims than all other creeds put together. So much for a religious war, these guys don't seem to mind who they kill in pursuit of their aims. Who are all these people fleeing Syria and Iraq? In fear of their lives? They're not Christians or any other religion, they're Muslims.

Yes, I accept that Blair & the idiot son of Bush ****ed up big time.

ISIS are rampaging, murderous scum! Who are denounced by the majority of heir own religious brothers.

They want war, they can ****ing have one! They won't be stopped any other way. Appeasers piss me right off! There's no appeasing these people, they'd kill you as soon as look at you!
 
PISKIE said:
To me, killing somebody because they don't believe in the same spiritual leader as your own is a complete contradiction to the core message of any religion.
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Really? I take it that you haven't read Deuteronomy, then?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+7

There's a lot of stuff like this in all of the canons of the major religions.
Attempting to ignore it or No True Scotsman it away is ludicrous.
 
Safc83 said:
So you dont think people should be brought to justice and to find out why and what went on? Instead we should just wipe them out.
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Did try and understand that in context and the messages before that? or is there going to be too many skeletons coming out of the cupboard if we bring them alive and bring them to justice!
 
highburyal said:
Did try and understand that in context and the messages before that? or is there going to be too many skeletons coming out of the cupboard if we bring them alive and bring them to justice!
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We just wanted to stop a man who was a murderous thug who enjoyed beheading people. No big conspiracy or anything like that, a very dangerous man was simply removed when the time was right. That's all <ok>
 
Safc83 said:
We just wanted to stop a man who was a murderous thug who enjoyed beheading people. No big conspiracy or anything like that, a very dangerous man was simply removed when the time was right. That's all <ok>
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Oh there's got to be a conspiracy. Everybody loves a conspiracy!
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I'm not going to go back over history. If we did that we could find a way to,justify just about anything that ever happened.

As has been pointed out, ISIS are killing more Muslims than all other creeds put together. So much for a religious war, these guys don't seem to mind who they kill in pursuit of their aims. Who are all these people fleeing Syria and Iraq? In fear of their lives? They're not Christians or any other religion, they're Muslims.

Yes, I accept that Blair & the idiot son of Bush ****ed up big time.

ISIS are rampaging, murderous scum! Who are denounced by the majority of heir own religious brothers.

They want war, they can ****ing have one! They won't be stopped any other way. Appeasers piss me right off! There's no appeasing these people, they'd kill you as soon as look at you!
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This isn't history, this happened pretty damn recently not hundreds of years ago, and this is the consequence of that.

I don't think anyone is denying that ISIS is killing more Muslims than anyone else, but where was the outrage from the west then? Where was the outrage when we armed the rebels in Syria, which broke up and formed part of ISIS?

No one is appeasing anyone here, its just seems odd you want to show them your outrage now and think they have declared war now and not whilst they were killing innocents in ME with the weapons and funds we provided to them to get rid of Assad before. I think everyone warned the west about arming them to get rid Assad but did anyone listen then oh no, because we know best because we are the civilised world (that can only be the west).
 
highburyal said:
This isn't history, this happened pretty damn recently not hundreds of years ago, and this is the consequence of that.

I don't think anyone is denying that ISIS is killing more Muslims than anyone else, but where was the outrage from the west then? Where was the outrage when we armed the rebels in Syria, which broke up and formed part of ISIS?

No one is appeasing anyone here, its just seems odd you want to show them your outrage now and think they have declared war now and not whilst they were killing innocents in ME with the weapons and funds we provided to them to get rid of Assad before. I think everyone warned the west about arming them to get rid Assad but did anyone listen then oh no, because we know best because we are the civilised world (that can only be the west).
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I said at the time we shouldn't be arming the rebels, Putin was right.

I ask you again, are westerners not also Muslim?

Are you seriously trying to imply that the ME is anywhere near the civilisation that we live in?
 
I see its all gone a bit Pete tong again, have some ganja
 

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Safc83 said:
I said at the time we shouldn't be arming the rebels, Putin was right.

I ask you again, are westerners not also Muslim?

Are you seriously trying to imply that the ME is anywhere near the civilisation that we live in?
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I am not saying westerners are not Muslim, some of the posters and in fact probably most posters equate the Muslims here in the west as not one of "US"! Otherwise not all Muslims would need to be apologetic for another Muslims action. In fact people demand that Muslims come out droves and appease everyone for what ISIS does.

If your definition of civilisation mean different then yes Muslims are different from westerners, but I can almost certainly say that when people say civilised they dont mean different but barbaric society.
 
highburyal said:
This isn't history, this happened pretty damn recently not hundreds of years ago, and this is the consequence of that.

I don't think anyone is denying that ISIS is killing more Muslims than anyone else, but where was the outrage from the west then? Where was the outrage when we armed the rebels in Syria, which broke up and formed part of ISIS?

No one is appeasing anyone here, its just seems odd you want to show them your outrage now and think they have declared war now and not whilst they were killing innocents in ME with the weapons and funds we provided to them to get rid of Assad before. I think everyone warned the west about arming them to get rid Assad but did anyone listen then oh no, because we know best because we are the civilised world (that can only be the west).
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The rebels opposing Assad are a completely different group to ISIS. There is no comparison between them. The rebels merely want rid of Assad. ISIS want Syria, Iraq, and you just know they won't stop there....

For the last time, ISIS are a group of murderous scum who will stop at nothing to achieve their aims. There is no negotiating with them, you cannot appease them, you simply have to stop them! If you don't do that, they will just carry on their murderous agenda throughout the ME.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
The rebels opposing Assad are a completely different group to ISIS. There is no comparison between them. The rebels merely want rid of Assad. ISIS want Syria, Iraq, and you just know they won't stop there....

For the last time, ISIS are a group of murderous scum who will stop at nothing to achieve their aims. There is no negotiating with them, you cannot appease them, you simply have to stop them! If you don't do that, they will just carry on their murderous agenda throughout the ME.
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Do keep up! ISIS initially were part of the rebel groups in Syria....Al-Nusra are part of ISIS who we fund as well and various other rebel groups.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
The rebels opposing Assad are a completely different group to ISIS. There is no comparison between them. The rebels merely want rid of Assad. ISIS want Syria, Iraq, and you just know they won't stop there....

For the last time, ISIS are a group of murderous scum who will stop at nothing to achieve their aims. There is no negotiating with them, you cannot appease them, you simply have to stop them! If you don't do that, they will just carry on their murderous agenda throughout the ME.
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You are wrong on this one mate. ISIS were a rebel militia against Assad, ourselves and the US backed them with a lot of weaponry. This rebel group then formed into ISIS.
 
Safc83 said:
You are wrong on this one mate. ISIS were a rebel militia against Assad, ourselves and the US backed them with a lot of weaponry. This rebel group then formed into ISIS.
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Thank you, now he may believe it and see we had a hand in the gold pot as well!
 
highburyal said:
Do keep up! ISIS initially were part of the rebel groups in Syria....Al-Nusra are part of ISIS who we fund as well and various other rebel groups.
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They have distanced themselves from ISIS now and have 'claimed' to be against both ISIS and Assad.
 
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