Ellewood, The math is easy. EPL = Sell Out EPL + Sell Out = Happy Allams Happy Allams = Bigger Stadium Bigger Stadium + EPL + Sell Out = Melton
hmm, if epl = sell out and epl + sell out = happy allams then happy allams would = sell out + sell out and Melton would = sell out + sell out + sell out + sell out 4 sell outs and we are off to melton. I get your point though.
The reality of our situation is this: The one and only way that Allamhouse will get its money back is for us to be in the EPL. But even if we get there, 25k seating will not be enough for the club to operate without financial support. The business model requires 35k gates. If we do not get promotion this season, we will not have enough money to mount any serious promotion run next season as we do not get enough on the gates to be self funding. If the club had developments that generated income alongside the football, we would be alright. As it stands now, we have to move, no choice, if we want to be in the EPL.
EPL would be great for me as I can not watch championship games since Setanta went bankrupt. Whatever is best for the club and city, I got no idea as I am not there.
I donât know if this is 100% right but I am under the impression that the stadium has a future-planned design to increase capacity to around 33K; with some internal re-routing to minimize segregation voids, this is a significant rise in seats sales and sufficient for early Premier League requirements. The owners have always stated that regular increased seat sales (due to stadium expansion) would result in reduced ticket prices and, hopefully, increased attendances, improved atmosphere and of course, improved commercial sales revenues from catering, programs, shop sales and so on! Catering contracts are soon up for grabs and the Allamâs are a different commercial proposition to what preceded â decent scoff and sensible prices will get results â I would rather have 14% of something worthwhile than 40% of bugger all. As for moving away from the KC, forget it; it will not happen! The council does not have the fiscal luxury of any moral high ground (not that there is any!), Allam will continue to push them and his timing is impeccable; sometime in 2013 he will make them an offer they canât refuse and they will be well pleased at that! As for their property ambitions in the immediate area of the KC, surely anything will be a huge improvement â itâs a bloody embarrassment and needs to change now. I suppose Hull Fair deserves a word or two â outdated ****e, comes to mind. On a more general point, I would be happy to pay a higher, but fair adult price if it meant that kids would get significant reductions, as they are our future and will take this this club of ours into its next phase â one of excellence I hope, bought from honesty and fair play at all levels.
Setanta is still alive and kicking in Australia and Championship matches are on their channel this year. Hull City v Leeds United is the next live Tigers match to be screened. My sister-in-law and her husband are Hull FC pass holders and we buy Hull City season tickets for her youngest daughter and husband. Youngest daughter also follows Hull FC and her husband follows Hull KR. Unanimous opinion among the Hull based family is that the KC stadium should remain in council hands.
To be honest that's what the club needs more than the expansion right now. I like what Fez is saying a couple of posts above this, but the issue with getting hold of the stadium, even if the council start to play ball, is the referendum they have promised. I don't think there's any chance at all it will go through on a referendum. When this came up a while ago the local media managed to spin it so that it seemed like Allam was just some crazy Egyptian wanting radical developments. A lot of people I spoke to even thought that his plan in buying the KC was to move the club to Melton :| Fact is the majority of people in Hull haven't got a bloody clue about this and if it came to a referendum would ruin what would be an amazing development for the rest of us.
But that wasnt the point we were discussing. Talk about going round in circles.... But what else can we use other than previous examples when referencing this - the words of a mental rich man throwing out platitudes to try and get people to buy into his idea of getting ****loads of council land for free to build whatever the heall he wants on there? Surely not... And I think you mean moot
Erm, the rich man said he'd do it, the rest is just your opinion. It's precisely what we're discussing. The 'free' bit is misleading too, but that's a seperate topic. Given your own spelling and punctuation errors, I wouldn't start trying to be smart with pointing out spelling errors if I was you. I really can't believe you're in PR.
I really cant believe you think how I'd act on a football forum when anonymous would have any baring on my professional capabilities.
That's a typo - a slip of the finger if you will - whereas mute was just wrong or one heall of a finger slip....
So do you pretend to be an obnoxious pillock on here or do you pretend to have a clue about people skills at work? It sounds like hard work or schizophrenia to me.
The club could not afford to move now regardless of any ambitions they may have. Moving Hull City football club out of Hull would most likely lead to financial ruin for the club,imo. Face facts, the land around the KC will never be sold to Assem Allam and it is doubtful it will ever be sold to anyone. Perhaps Mr Allam would like to make a cash offer for the stadium only (including the egg chasing sub tennants). If it is a good offer and he can get it past a referendum of Hull council tax payers (doubtful). He would then have an asset he could borrow against. Which of cousre means if it goes tits up the club may end up in a Portsmouth type situation. I am eternally grateful for Mr Allam's intervention in saving our club but am now thoroughly sick of hearing how much it is costing and what a burden it is on the family wealth. Like we give a fxxk. If Hull City make it to the premier league then he will make a large amount of money and good luck to him. I hope he gets back every penny he invested and more. Achieving premier league status may require further investment and it is up to Mr Allam if he chooses to go down that route. If he does then he should stop squealing and moaning about the cost of it all at every opportunity. If he chooses not to invest and cause pain to his wallet then perhaps he should try cutting costs and making the club viable. From there the club may be able to produce a team capable of winning promotion to EPL. A slower route no doubt and in its own way a gamble. Your call Mr Allam, good luck with whichever way you choose to go(Silverware, we don't care etc) but for fxxks sake shut the moaning.
I know what you mean because they only ever talk about how great they've been, but it's not wrong what they're saying on this. What is our ultimate aim? Is it to be a lower Premiership side like Wigan scraping by every year in a tiny stadium? Or is it to keep improving and be the very best we can be in the long-term? If we want to be anything more than Wigan are now, we need a bigger stadium (whether that's an expanded KC or another ground) and we need far more income to the club than we have now. In order to get that we need to be looking at avenues outside of football such as the proposed sports village, hotels, etc. and we simply can't do it without owning the ground. As for doing a Portsmouth. That possibility is far more likely while we don't own the ground. This is what happened last time, we spent beyond our means to compete in the PL and we had no security to fall back on at all. We weren't the big club that we spent like we were and it inevitably went tits up. If we want be able to compete in the PL and spend proper money on players but without risking the future of the club this time we need to have the income I mentioned above but also assets such as a stadium to actually administrate if we have financial problems again. No one wants to plan for that of coursse, but the Allams won't be around forever and we'll have to fend for ourselves. Because we didn't own a stadium or anything, our situation would have been worse than Portsmouth if the Allams hadn't come in, we had nothing to administrate and we would simply have been liquidated.
Heres what happened to coventry when they moved http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/05/portsmouth-coventry-stadium-football-finance
I am afraid I have to disagree with you on one or two points ISTPLT. Firstly, saying they are going to move out of the KC stadium at the first oppurtunity they can afford to do so, is totally wrong, imo. They may choose to stay in Hull and build a ground but that would seem highly unlikely. Therefore the empty threat would be to take Hull City out of Hull. Let's explore that briefly. Where to? Melton? Melton mowbray? Cornwall? The Ricoh arena? careful what you wish for etc. What is our ultimate aim? People will have different aspirations here but I would like to see a financially viable football and would want that football club to take itself as high as the football on the pitch will allow. If we make it to the premier league I hope we would be able to stay a while and think we have a much better chance of this happening next time as compared to the debacle that it was last time. We need more income? should we reach the premier league then the income will come from that source, if you're suggesting that that income is not enough to run a football club then I am suggesting you are mistaken. It is. In order to get that we need to be looking at avenues outside of football such as the proposed sports village, hotels, etc. and we simply can't do it without owning the ground. Once again you seem to be suggesting that the football club cannot operate as a stand alone business, I disagree, it can and it should. I see no difference to the club being backed by money made from making and selling selling generator sets then say from hotels,underwear shops,bingo halls etc. The idea that a football club needs to involve itself in these pie in the sky sports village type schemes/ property development, to survive and prosper is alien to me, though obviously not to everybody. You are correct about the possibilty of doing a Portsmouth, this could only happen if wreckless, verging on criminal incompetence where to take place on the scale it did last time. I do not see this happening. I do see the possibility of the club buying the KC stadium only, I do see the possibilty of the club being sold. I do not see the possibility of the premiership money being used to build a new ground and sports village etc. I may be wrong but if the prem money is used for paying off Allamhouse loans and put towards building a white elephant in east yorkshire, you would have to wonder where the additional money would come from for team strengthening, which would be required to keep the club a premier league club. Last time we were nearly liquidated the owner of the club would of lost every penny he ever put in. He was prepared to do that, do you think these owners would do that? I don't myself. More likely the football club will buy the ground if they can in order to make it a more attractive proposition when it comes to selling the club. Nothing wrong with that. The only person who could liquidate Hull City is Assem Allam and it think it more likely he would sell the club for what he could get and cut his losses so I don't see the problem of liquidation rearing it's ugly head, I take your point about the ownership of the ground but if money were borrowed against it then it may depend who the money was borrowed from. Hull City afc. Play in Hull - Stay in Hull. Keep The Faith.
