Get the Holmesdale Ultras to come and give a series of lectures on how they became the best fans in the country
To some degree that's what's been tried so far and doesn't seemed to have worked, so what's your plan B?
I don't think there is one, otherwise we would have implemented it by now, as would many other clubs. To an extent these things have to develop organically, you can't force people to sing but there are factors which would help such as unreserved seating, safe standing or fans groups setting an example (like HF05).
Right, so you're in agreement with what many people have been saying about improving the atmosphere. I agree about the organic bit, but feel these things can be helped with a bit of pruning and weeding and planting in the right place. I think the club are willing to consider suggestions, so what specific ones do you have for the KC?
I think making the north stand unreserved, if only for a season would help. The reduced capacity wouldn't be an issue because we don't fill it as it is. The club loosening their stance on banners and flags would help. Also liaising with the club to organise 'displays' much like the HF05 could be interesting.
All worth a try in my view. A reservation would be that by choice, at City people have moved away from the Ultras concept in favour of old school, but I think there's room for both. How would you generate noise/atmosphere in the upper west, and do you feel it's worth putting extra effort to the family stand?
I think trying to force anything on the upper west would fall flat, its had a reputation as the quiet area for over a decade now, in general people that sit up there are not overly bothered about creating noise (although I accept there will be some exceptions). Its probably unrealistic to expect all four stands to sing consistently at least initially. The best we can hope for is really focus in on one area (i.e. the north) and get that right, if it works then maybe it will spread, if it doesn't spread we can consider using similar strategies elsewhere in the ground.
Is it just me that thinks flags, banners are and all this are unimportant? If we could be loud all the time but with none of this visual stuff I'd be delighted.
I would agree about forcing things, that's why I think it's imprtant to get the views of as many people as possible. There are actually some in upper west that are keen to make a noise, so I think that there should be a way for them to be able to do that. Like the family stand, i'd expect it to be different in form and content, but there's probably a way it can still be done ina way that still allows others their less vociferous enjoyment. I'd disagree with focussing just on the north. It hasn't really worked so far, partly because even in there, people want different things and the groups clash. I think each stand making some sort of contribution is the way forward. Whether these can or should be co-ordinated is a whole other question.
I'm undecided. I think a regimented display, or performing seals would be naff, but we've a bright vibrant and recognisable colour in the amber, and that could add to atmosphere.
FFS, you're being a tad precious, Quill. I was quoting the remark about dross, not you literally as that is very clear in the conversation line. So do all (?) of you singers not fancy a bit of DIY and forming a Choral Society? Why not get together with these good folk, take along flasks and blankets and sort it out in a church hall near you. By the way, what is stopping them from making a noise - are they bashful?
"Live viewing experience ". No wonder the atmosphere nowadays is so dire with people who come out with pretentious claptrap like that in the stadium. Spectators not supporters.
They're polite. They get shushed by people grumbling at the noise. As for what you try to describe as a choral society, I guess to a degree that's what we're after and what the club tried with the evictions.
So you don't go to watch a game of football, then? I deliberately expressed it that way because you can attend games anywhere and see folk who don't spend too much time watching the game. Football is no longer a cheap day out and I personally find it bloody annoying when clowns are jumping up and down in front of me and others with no thought for anyone else; things happen in games in a heart-beat and I don't want to see the back of the guy in front of me because he has felt the urge to stand and bawl some mindless chant with no-one taking him up (the double-edged problem, I believe), it's live, it's happening and it's the reason I go. Spectators not supporters - do you realise how ****ing pretentious that sounds? Looks like we're heading to the normal brain-dead, 'true supporter' nonsense? Do you watch the game, or do you just tip up for the atmosphere?
I think the main problem is whether you can stand up or not. A Chelsea fan was on 606 at the weeks saying people only sing and chant if they stand up not when they are sat down. I sit in the lower West and would prefer to stand and chant, but when ever I do stand up to shout abuse at the ref, I am told to sit down. However even in the lower West I am sure there as some that would chant, but there just needs to be a way of getting the standers and the sitters separate.
Shocking error by Phil Dowd in the first minute. Nailed on penalty for Palace. Dowd was not helped by the Linesman either. Oh dear. The result drops Leicester into the bottom 3 and all 3 promoted clubs now in the zone. Lol.
Whenever I have attended it has usually been the West Stand (for the view) and, although most don't get too noisy, those that do join in have been left to it - what I do see are folk getting narked at other folk jumping up and down, obscuring the view - I think the jumping and the noise are getting mixed up as offending actions. No, I am serious about a Hull City AFC Choral Society (or whatever name it needs for street cred). I keep seeing it mentioned that there are loads of singers all over the ground and some who have now left it (because they can't sing with their mates?), so why not get them together away from the match and sort out chants, songs, seating and whatever else is thought necessary to create an atmosphere? Perhaps you could give Gareth Malone a shout and make a real project of it - but make it a separate entity, let it develop organically being led by the folk who care about it. Perhaps schools could get involved to fill them empty seats.
