IF the question asked was...... The Allam Family and a name change. No Allam Family and no name change. I think the fans would vote for the Allams and the name change.. Maybe ?
I've answered the question about the FA before. But here goes: The FA expect to vote on any change in the playing name implemented by Hull City Tigers Limited. Here is the rule book http://www.thefa.com/~/media/Files/...ciation/2013-14/rules-of-the-association.ashx The rule number is 3(l). I think it is pretty clear that it applies to Hull City in the Premier League. "A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e. the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form âAâ, save with the prior written permission of Council. Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in deciding whether to approve a change in a Clubâs playing name."
So really it just down to the FA and nowt else? I really wouldn't hold your breath, we all know how useless those plebs are, and IMO they're far more likely to side with Doctor Assem Allam.
The question is not are they for it, or against it. They are against it. The question is, have they the balls to block it?
There's been countless polls, all of which have shown a strong majority in favour of keeping the current name, including more than one OSC poll. The second OSC poll was organised because one of the directors felt the first one on the website must have been hacked since it showed such a large majority against the name change. The second one which was done through e-mail and manually counted showed the exact same result. There hasn't been any show of support for a name change anywhere. There's been 0 marches, 0 online polls and 0 scarves or badges sold in support of this view. There simply isn't an argument to be had about whether the majority are against a name change or not. It is as clear as day that the vast majority are against a name change. There are too many who won't do anything about it, but that's a reflection on those people more than anything else and claiming those people as 'pro name-changers' is just stupid. Just because you haven't looked into it, doesn't mean no one else has. That's just ridiculous logic. In fact it isn't logic. That's nonsense Filey. The people behind CTWD are without doubt the die hard types who go regardless of the division. The types of people who run websites about their love for Hull City and spend their free time doing podcasts, news stories and meeting officials from the club. The type who'd go to Hornsea on a weeknight just to go and see a player or backroom staff member do a talk. The more 'part-time' fans will be less likely to understand why this is so important.
Quick question...regarding acceptance by authority... Does the FA have any say in this or is it just the PL, or both? Who gives the nod of acceptance?
Any change of club name is entirely at the discretion of the FA. Though I suppose the PL could refuse to recognise it if they wanted.
Claiming those people as anti name changers is even more stupid, because if it does come down to a poll, and less than half vote against a name change, the so called anti's inaction will count against the anti's. I don't see why this isn't obvious. Rounded numbers for easy understanding (I think its 20,500 but this is close enough): 20k eligible to vote season ticket holders 5k vote (25% is me being generous, I honestly believe it would be less) Even if all 25% voted against, which they wouldn't, how do you think that will be presented? You'd need at least 10k voting against. Do you SERIOUSLY think that would happen? You might HOPE it would but honestly, do you genuinely it would happen? Regarding marches etc for the name change...I don't understand your supposed logic here. Why would people do that? They're showing their support by going along to games. The Antis sure as hell aint showing their support by boycotting games or even attending marches. Sure, CTWD sold some scarves, but I'd wager the official club shops sold more stuff (despite Adida's best efforts) than CTWD, so, thats a moot point too.
Ah ok ta. I guess I'm slightly surprised the PL listen to the FA, and I'd be even more surprised if the FA did anything other than rubber stamp anything put in front of them too.
Happy: Start a pro-name change thread and put your points/reasons for the same. There's a sweetie... Just quit going round-and-round, trying to disrupt arguments which are relevant, opposing the name change. You make no sense.
You can only count people as what they ask to be counted as. If people vote no to a name change, as they have done every time so far, then they count as anti-name changers, of course they do. You can't decide to force them into the complete opposite group for any reason. Going to matches is not a show of support for the owners. Just like it isn't at Newcastle, Leeds or Cardiff where they have similarly mad owners. I go to games, but it's nothing to do with Hull Tigers or the owner. It's the team and club I love that I go for. Your arguments have no merit logically but you keep repeating them and every time someone proves you wrong you go quiet for a bit but then come back cocky as ever the next day insisting that we're a minority and all this crap keeps going... Pretty much exactly what Stan said in fact.
Stan, if you don't like other peoples views and opinions on an open forum, sod off to AN. This is not a CTWD forum, this is not a place for CTWD's agenda to be put forward unopposed or unquestioned. I'm not disrupting anything, I'm discussing and questioning. You might not like my views or my questions, but woop-de-doop, that's the purpose of a forum like this.
Bloody good article from Dave Kidd in last sunday's People The problem with international breaks is that people start ¬looking beyond the actual football – and start seeing Premier League clubs for what they ¬really are. They start hearing from club owners willing to trample over a century of history, showing contempt for life-long supporters, just on the off-chance that they might make an extra buck in the Asian market. They hear about the heavy-handed actions of club lawyers – and begin to realise how little these people -actually care for grassroots football. They read about one of England’s brightest young talents abandoning his £100,000 Porsche in a boggy woodland – and wonder why they ought to cough up even more in satellite TV subscriptions. A shame really because the actual football has been more interesting than usual. It is shaping up to be the most open title race since the Premier League’s launch – Chelsea and the Manchester clubs struggling under new ¬management, Tottenham foundering post-Bale, Arsenal and Liverpool resurgent, Everton more expansive under Roberto Martinez. And Southampton such a good-news story on so many levels. Hull and Cardiff have over-achieved too, after promotion – yet that’s where the good news ends. Cardiff owner Vincent Tan has been widely panned for changing the club’s colours and badge, then axing his ¬director of football in favour of a Kazakhstani work-experience boy. Stu Forster Kitting out Cardiff in red will make them more marketable in Malaysia, it is argued. For while the Malaysians are ¬obviously loaded enough to spend ¬significant sums on replica shirts, they are apparently dopey enough to follow a team simply because of their colours. And it is not as if they are spoilt for choice if they simply have to follow a Premier League who play in red. Except for England’s three most ¬famous clubs – Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal. Yet despite his love of wearing clown’s trousers, Tan was not even the most laughable club owner to join the Premier League this summer. Oh no, Hull’s owner Assem Allam is an ¬absolute beauty. While Tan can at least plead complete ignorance of British footballing culture, Allam has no such excuse. He may be Egyptian-born, but he has spent half a century living in East Yorkshire. Yet Allam wants to change Hull City’s 109-year-old name to Hull City Tigers or, preferably, Hull Tigers. Assem Allam: Clueless Getty Images Why? Again it is those easily-¬patronised Asian consumers again. “Ooh, the Tigers,” they are expected to say, “how dangerous, how sleek, how stripy. If they’re called the Tigers, we’re going to support Hull and spend a lot of money on doing so.” Questioned about this on BBC radio this week, Allam let rip with an astonishing rant, sounding like Sacha Baron Cohen ¬sending up a power-crazed despot. “No one on earth is allowed to ¬question how I do my business. No one on earth. Let’s kill this point,” he reasoned. “It’s up to me. Nobody in the world will decide for me how I run my ¬companies, certainly not a few hundred people. “No, no, no. I will not allow that. Let us establish this – nobody questions my decisions in my business. If it is proved, between now and early next year, that shortening the name by removing ‘City’ to have ‘Hull Tigers’ [is beneficial], I will do it.” Asked how he would prove that, he responded: “By me saying that, and only me. Nobody has the right to ask me how I reach my decision.” So it sounds as if Allam is not exactly big on consultation. And that he sees Steve Bruce’s team just as he would see any other business – not as a focal point for a community, a source of pride, identity and belonging. At a club which attracted crowds of 19,000 when they were in the Football League basement – and few of them from the Far East and with a fetish for big cats. Should the FA allow the Hull Tigers to compete next season, it will surely open the floodgates to a deluge of Americanised names – Newcastle Magpies, Norwich Canaries, anyone? There is no suggestion yet of a change for that most traditional of English names, Tottenham Hotspur. Yet the Spurs board have not exactly been covering themselves with glory either. Their lawyers have instructed a Wessex League club called Fleet Spurs – named in Tottenham’s honour in 1948 – to remove the Premier League club’s cockerel emblem from their own club crest. A Spurs spokesman said: “If we do not take action to stop Fleet Spurs ¬using our cockerel logo, it can undermine our ability to stop other unauthorised ¬people who use our logo for commercial purposes, such as counterfeiters.” Alternatively, they could just sue the counterfeiters
As ever, we had some intelligent discussion and questioning going on. Then you turned up in another one of your attempts to disrupt the thread and no doubt try to provoke a reaction so DMD can whip his pruning shears out. Round and round? Did you seriously just accuse me of that? lol It's hardly my fault you lack comprehension skills. I'm typing slowly for your benefit: Previous polls are worthless. They are done on specific sites, with specific agendas and do not represent the majority of fans that support Hull City, they can't, because those fans do not use those sites. The talk is of trying to force a poll of season ticket holders. That's 20500 people. For the Anti Name Change Campaign to succeed. and to convince the FA the fans do not want it, it has to show it has the MAJORITY support of the fans. So, that means at least 10250 people have to vote against a name change. I don't think that would ever happen. Now I'm done rising to your childish bait, I'll stick to discussing this as an adult, with other adults.
Erm no I didn't accuse you of going round and round, what a strange question to ask, especially since you go on to assert that I have poor comprehension skills. You can type as slowly as you want and it's still biased nonsense. Who says it has to be a majority against a name change for it to succeed? Who says that all non-voters will be counted as yes-voters? That's preposterous. Not beyond our devious owner I know but still preposterous and if he did do that the results would be of very little worth indeed. You know full well that the polls aren't just restricted to sites that oppose the name change yet you continue pushing this crap until I pull you up on it. This very forum did more than one poll and all opposed a name change. The OSC has no bias other than sticking by the club and yet still its members even opposed it in two separate polls. The HDM did a completely neutral one and over 3/4 voted against a name change. The figures are there wherever you look. There are no polls, groups, marches or anything supporting the name change. There are stone cold facts telling us that the majority don't want a name change. It quite simply can't be denied. This is obviously the reason our owner refused to deliver his promised consultation; because he knows he'd lose if he stuck to his word. You're always trying to drag me into your moans about DMD's 'pruning' and you're always completely wrong. Just because you don't like either of us, doesn't mean we're the same person. It's nothing to do with me, although I do usually support his decisions and think the hysteria it causes is over the top. The only logical conclusion to draw from your posts on this topic is that you feign ignorance just to enable you to carry on arguing. You'll probably stop pretty soon since it's so clear you're so wrong. But as I said above you'll be all over it again in the coming days doing the same thing again raising the same points which have been swatted away time and time again.
