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Ozil Jealousy By Rival Fans Is OTT. Sort Out Our Defence Instead Of Signing Ozil?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Dubbed The New Wenger, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. Arsegun

    Arsegun Well-Known Member

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    Just join the "I have ToledoTrumpton on my ignore list" club. The more the merrier; and the less I have to read his wumming garbage when someone quotes it.
     
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  2. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    Will people please cut out the childish insults.There is absoloutely no need to be calling people names like ****** just because you disagree with them.There is nothing wrong with a bit of banter or friendly piss taking but some of you go really over the top
     
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  3. Treat Williams

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    Arsenal conceded less than a goal a game in the league last season.

    Arsenal had the second worst record for mistakes leading to conceding a goal with 14 - only Wigan were worse. This amounted to around 38% of goals conceded in the league.

    Both interesting stats. Would a back-up defender rectify this? Or would someone have to come in and replace one of our current first choice back four?
     
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  4. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    To be fair a good chunk of those were down to Vermalean. And the fact that him and Kos are too similar to effectively play with each other
     
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  5. velachiperoo

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    To anyone who says Ozil is a waste of money, etc etc, well you are just wrong. We are a team that challenges for 4th place buying a WC player who is remarkably better than anyone in our current team is absolutely a coup. It is a brilliant signing and from his words he joined because of Wenger and the project he has in mind, which sounds like Ozil is a statment of Intent going forward as opposed to a one off. Brilliant!!

    However to think all issues are now resolved and this has been the most unbelievable transfer window are way of the mark. We needed to get 6 players in this window min to flesh out the squad and maybe 2 needed to be WC the others needed to be fillers. We needed

    A Gk - no idea on Viviano but hopefully he won't play more than CC games
    A CB - Having 3 recognised CB's is stupid for a top tier club especially when 2 of them playing together spells disaster not to mention one is still out for another month (including getting match fit)
    A DM - Happy with Flamini if he can maintain the form he showed for Milan, but honestly this is where the one of the top tier signings needed to be.
    A WF - We got rid of a lot of attacking players in these positions and would have liked more cover - be it a WC or A young up and comer.
    A AM - Arguably where we least needed strengthening but never gonna say no to Ozil - Sheer Class
    A ST - Sanagoo might develop into a great player/might not but not for a few years anyway. The other spot where we should have gone WC/Top tier - Giroud has been in fine form so not too worried but not signing a back up is criminal especially as Pod is out for 10 weeks ( that was with 4-5 days left in the window).

    Ozil is a coup and I am delighted (also hope we build on it in Jan and next summer), I am content with Flamini but overall a disappointing window. The only player I am ok with signing on deadline day is Ozil, who we couldn't have got at any other time, but the other 5 odd players we needed for them the club has no excuse.

    TBF we can't do anything till Jan now so get behind the team and hope for no injuries. Come on Arsenal. Basically the truth lies somewhere in between Toledo and Hans
     
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  6. Treat Williams

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    It would be great to know why these mistakes come about. Perhaps some problems are more deep rooted, like confidence and tactics, two things that the coaching staff can maybe go a certain way to sorting out. I'd argue that there are elements out of their hands though.

    Some other fun stats include:

    - only City and Spurs conceded less shots per game than Arsenal did last season;
    - the ball was in Arsenal's third only 24% of the time last season - the joint best in the league with City.

    ...so the midfield and defence must be doing their job pretty well.
     
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  7. gent

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    Those stats also make szczesny look pretty bad, considering the goals conceded per chances created by opposition.

    Even Almunia had better stats with more unstable defenses at periods. Obviously it isn't anything conclusive but still...

    I've said that hero shop stopping means a lot less than stability and sound decision making in a 38 game competition.
     
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  8. Topgun

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    We needed a back up keeper we signed one, we needed a defensive midfielder we signed one, we needed some world class talent we signed some, looks good to me!
     
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  9. Topgun

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    Not true man u have been winning titles by beating all the others for years!
     
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  10. The Bonstar Wandit

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    I'd be interested in how the defense stats changed between the first and second halves of the season.
     
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  11. ToledoTrumpton

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    The big problem with this is that most of these players are likely to be backups and when people get fit again, second backups.

    More than ever, the first X1 is pretty solid. I know fans don't like Giroud, and I know Ramsey will never convince some people, but for other pros coming in, this is an extremely intimidating team to try and break into. There are lots of very good professionals that failed to play with us, like Gervinho and Arshavin.

    People who say we need 7 or 8 players are living in the past when our players were still developing.

    OK - Arteta and Podolski are injured, but a career move to Arsenal is not just for 10 weeks. Any player coming in has to worry about what happens when they come back.

    It was like when people used to bitch about Djourou, FFS he was our 4th choice CB, most Arsenal fans cant name a 4th choice CB from another team, and everyone wants us to sign a world class CB most likely to sit on the bench all season.
     
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  12. Krome

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    The talk of buying a world class centre back was mostly from fans of other teams and Robbie Savage, Williams would have been a perfect signing as 3rd choice CB
     
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  13. Sanj

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    Meh. Was never sure about him, especially for £10 Mil. Sagna seems to have the makings of an excellent CB, so maybe we should have got another RB.
     
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  14. velachiperoo

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    1. I am okay with Giroud but I would have been happier with Suarez, Rooney, Higuain and the ilk and keep Giroud
    2. I for one and am delighted with Ramsey and am happy with him to contiune to develop (think he is now the first name on the team sheet at CM).
    3. I like Arteta but I would much rather have the likes of Bender, Fellani, Kondiba in there ( an out and out DM ) plus these players are young and will get better. Flamini was decent but I think the team would have been better off with the players mentioned.
    4. I think buying a young up and coming Defender like Papadouplous at Shalke was the way to go can play but also needs to develop.
    5. It is a good first eleven but big clubs have a host of players some who don't occasionaly get game time.
    6. Arshavin has been past it for a while and Gervinho was never up to standard.
    7. I said 5-6 and it isn't about players coming into the first 11 only, you need squad players.

    Arsenal currently -

    ---------------Wos/Fab/Viviano--------------------

    ---Sagna/Jenk----Mert----TV/Kos------Mon/Gibbs

    ---------Ramsey/Wilshere---Arteta/Flamini----------

    ----Theo/OX------Ozil---------Caz/Pod------------

    -------------Giroud/Sang/Bend-----------------

    Just from that I would say that we needed to add a ST be it someone better than Giroud or a back up.
    We should have bought a WF to to cover either injuries on the left or right - also it means we can push Pod up front to challenge Giroud as well.
    A CB especially as TV and Kos don't exactly play well together
    A Top tier/WC DM instead of Flamini

    Again I will state that getting Ozil is amazing and if we build on that to buy some other big names then things look amazing going forward. However we have let our selves down in other positions. I suddenly don't thin we are the worst or Wenger is useless. I still expect us to challenge for fourth and go deep into domestic cups. But to leave a team 2 injuries away from serious trouble (this will still be the case when all our injured players come back) is bad management. I appreciate the likes of Flamini can play FB or Ramsey can so we can chop and change, we can move Theo and Pod to cover upfront as well. However big clubs should not put themselves in this position. If we got all those players I suggested and still have terrible injuries I would not complain as you can only plan so much. But to not get yourselves into a good position when you are actively recruiting is a poor showing. If we have no injuries or fatigue for the next 3 months (especially the busy xmas period) I feel we will be ok but it leaves us relying on luck and not planning. That is why I am annoyed at the club, while being delighted about some other aspects.
     
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  15. Treat Williams

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    Games 1-19.......... 21 conceded
    Games 20-38........ 16 conceded, though it should be noted that they only conceded 11 goals in the last 15 games.

    As for mistakes, I couldn't tell you I'm afraid.
     
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  16. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    I read a table the other day which showed we conceded a higher percentage of goals through individual mistakes than any other team.I can't remember where I saw the ****er now
     
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  17. Treat Williams

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  18. The Zlatan

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    Not surprising, Sagna made a lot of errors last season, as did Vermaelen, Gibbs did too but he cleaned up his act towards then end.
     
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  19. Arsegun

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    That's what gives us our reputation.
     
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  20. Treat Williams

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    It's a frightening stat. It's hard to pinpoint exactly why it comes about though.
     
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