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  1. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    FIFI's Disciplinary Committee is believed to be examing the build-up to Englands World Cup qualifying game against Scotland.

    The display of poppies on big screens, the minutes silence, playing the last post and handing poppy T-shirts to the crowd could now be assessed.

    Both FA's have been charged for wearing poppies in the match on armistace day 11th November.

    Obviously they didn't get any brown envelopes (or any other colour to keep sensible happy) to grease their palms.
     
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  2. notDistantGreen

    notDistantGreen Well-Known Member

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    I'm not aware of any law that says you have to advertise or interview.

    If you DO interview then you have to make sure you do so fairly irrespective of gender, race, religion and disability, that's all.
     
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  3. Greenarmyjoe

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    Plym, does that mean plumbers have to read yet more bull from the EU ..

    They need to clear the buffoons at the top from these establishments and get real people in there, that way the envelopes no matter what colour will be discontinued... Perhaps the NHS then would have a bit more money for care instead of all those pen pushers that are not required, yes we nned some to do that but how are they on 5/6 fiqure salaries.. we have had to have to 999 calls this week to that place for my lad, great service until you get on the ward, luckly we have open access so dont have to go through the sitting about much, but its still painfull.. Surely its got to be privatised , you dont realise how poor it is until you have to go there.. Whose fault is it?
     
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  4. lyndhurstgreen

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    Sadly Joe you are correct about the pen pushers - there are far too many tiers of management earning lots of dosh and who never make decisions. The reason I went for the job (it was for the complaints manager at Derriford) was because I genuinely thought (and still do) that I could make a real difference to the patient experience and more importantly improve things all round. The complaints process is supposed to be all about learning from experience and making changes so please do continue to complain and if not satisfied take it further. Of course, being married to a senior sister at the same place gives me a bit of an insight into the workings of the NHS and there are a lot of very dedicated people in the hospital who give blood sweat and tears on a daily basis to care for their patients-unfortunately there are some who just rock up for their 8 hour shift because it pays the mortgage. As far as who's fault it is, well probably everybody and no body. The bottom line is that the country can't afford an NHS that the general public wants. The government could I suppose put up taxes which will cause outrage , or borrow more , which is both unsustainable and probably not very effective. For me the only solution is probably to introduce compulsory health insurance, with the usual safeguards for those who cant afford to pay. I could go on but you've probably stopped reading already.
     
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  5. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I hope all is well with your lad now Joe.

    The one thing that works quite well at Derriford is the Complaints section in my experience. I made one on behalf of my wife regarding the Eye department. My wife has macular degeneration and was undergoing treatment for a bleed in one of her eyes which if not sorted properly could have meant she would lose her sight in that eye completely. It was about appointments where we had to chase them up all the time for appointments despite the fact the Main Man said she must have this treatment regularly on time. They got it sorted very quickly and were happy for me to continue with the complaint which I declined. We only wanted her treatment to be proper and less of the excuses and we that was achieved for us it was the end of the matter. But they were very proactive.

    Part of the problem there is some of the staff. I say some because that's all it is as it is anywhere. I worked for the Council remember so know what it's like to be tarred with a general brush. My dad got taken in one night with a mini stroke. They were going to send him home again until I pointed out that his mouth had dropped and his speech was wrong. Not only that but the one at home would be my mother who was 80. The Doctor had another look, thought better of it and kept him in. He never got to go home again sadly. Another was my mother who had terminal cancer. One of the male nurses reluctantly took her to the loo one day. Got her in and enthroned then, because it was his time to go home just walked off the ward and left her there without telling anyone. My Mrs went balistic on that one. But, some of the staff were briliant. Trouble is most people only remember the bad ones. That Hospital organised an Ambulence to take my mother to her husbands funeral and back. She fell and broke her hip 2 days before the funeral and would have been devistated had she not been able to go. They were fantastic and when I went to thank the Matron personally she just said the welfare of the patient justified the cost even though I offered to pay for it. One really funny one was a Doctor who was talking to my mother to tell her what he was planning. I pointed out the sign I had put on the bed which said basically deaf as a post so can't hear. Oh sorry he said and proceeded to shout at her instead. One of the nurses took great pleasure in pointing out his basic error. I just stood there chuckling myself. Overall though, like most of the Council workers, they do care and want to do a good job.
     
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  6. Plymborn

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    The big news story of the moment is this 14 yr old girl who has died of cancer.....having won the right to have her body cryogenically preserved until a cure might be found for her cancer.

    Ok I might not be the brightest button in the box......but I find a problem in this situation.....we of course know that eggs and sperm can be preserved for future use plus other body tissues as well....because they are living at the time of freezing.

    This girl has actually died of her cancer condition....how do you undo that.....being dead is surely being dead......cryogenically preserved dead tissue surely will still be dead tissue years into the future....finding a cure for her cancer cannot reverse a cancer that has run it's full course.....it might be able to reverse a cancer condition that exists and hasn't yet brought death to that person and that would be brilliant.

    People are not being cryogenically preserved whilst they are still living as far as I know.....people are paying a lot of money to go through this process.....to me this is a big con situation....what do you think ?
     
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    Point one and for me the only point is that you cannot see into the tube therefore you cannot know if the body is even there in the first place. Who is to say they ever kept the body at all. If they did and somebody saw it go in then how do they know it stayed there. Lots of pennies to store a body at best is my take. Who will be here to challenge anyone 50 years down the line when a con is exposed. Just how stupid must somebody be to fall for it in the first place I might ask.

    As for this girl I'm assuming she had no funds of her own to pay for this. A judge saying her wishes should be adhered to isn't the one going to pay. This should be down to the parents to decide not a court. That's just looking at the means to carry out the wishes in the cold light of day of course. I'm going to insist on being burried on the Moon if it's that easy. The State can pay for it.
     
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    Her parents are divorced....her mother agreed...but her father said no....even if the process worked in 50/100 years from now.....why would you want to be alive three or four generations later in your family tree.....if it doesn't work you wouldn't be claiming would you.
     
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    Lyndy was that at derriford called PALS?? As had many discussions with them..
     
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  10. Greenarmyjoe

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    Thanks Sensible, yes he is out again now.. But a bad time of year for him with his problems, so we have a few visits around this time.. Hope fully nothing serious..

    With regards to staff, cant fault many of them, its the system and pen pushers who cause the problems.. It was not the ward staff that caused my lads issue in the first place, it was Devon Doctors and Midwifery.. that is who we have the negligence filed with so its on gong but getting there with it..

    Bit difficult to deal with but we do it for him..
     
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    Hope things go well Joe for you and your family and especially your lad over this period leading up to Christmas.....such an important family time.
     
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    I'm sure most of the individuals in the NHS are wonderful but the systems and structures don't work. Perhaps there are too many managers but one thing that stands out a mile is that no single doctor ever seems to be responsible for a patient and so they are left at the whim of unconnected departments and functions each doing their own thing.

    I speak from experiencing the care, or rather the lack of it, my daughter got when she was born somewhat prematurely in a major hospital and later when she had a bad bout of sickness and diarrhoea when she was about 2 and went to the same hospital's A&E department.

    One thing that strikes me about cryogenic preservation of bodies is that even if the problems of curing the fatal disease and restoring the dead body are overcome, I can't imagine that future generations living in a world even more overcrowded than it is now are going to say:

    "You know what? Let's bring back to life all those dead ones that have stacked up in the freezer over the past 150 years. They'll be great because they'll know nothing about how to make a living or behave in our new age civilisation and we'll be able to pay to support them until they die from something even we can't cure. We really need a small nation's worth of useless bastards we haven't got room for. If we're really lucky, they'll be carrying age old diseases which we've eliminated from the human race but which they can just bring straight back into play."

    Is that covered in the small print of the freezing contract do you think?
     
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    Yes mate, PALS(Patient Advice and Liaison Service) is the public face of the complaints department- the job was to manage the PALS team but also to do a lot of the policy and process stuff behind the scenes etc and more importantly to make sure complaints were being handled properly by all hospital staff.
     
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    Well said notDistant......imagine someone wanting their old home back 100 years from now....or what the hell have you done with my old car....imagine coming back in 2116 and find out that Argyle are in level 4 football still.....whatever the league is called then.
     
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    Well they need a shake up at PALS Lyndy, shame you did not get that..

    I may be calling them this week with more problem's. I think they know me now ..

    Thanks Plym, yes all will be ok.. i think we have just had a bad period and hope fully now the medication has been put up after asking in April and a consultant change... The trouble is like Distant states, never the same Doctor at hospital.. They are all over worked in every department.. I tend to agree with Lyndy.. privatisation could be the way forward.. I would be happy to pay, but i think there could be a problem with a lot of people..

    Enough of the NHS..

    Soon be xmas? <cracker><cracker>
     
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    Good to hear Joe...........

    I'd rather talk about the NHS than bleddy Christmas bah humbug.
     
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    More in todays Sunday Telegraph.

    The president of an American cryogenic facility where a British teenager has been frozen after death has admitted patients may wake up as "clones" with no memories.

    Dennis Kowalski, the president and chief executive of Cryonics Institute in Michigan, said the controversial process could leave his clients with no memories of their former lives, even if they were revived in the future.

    He added that he had only a "50-50" belief that patients enclosed in the freezing chambers would ever be successfully brought back to life.

    Clive Coen, professor of neuro-science at King's College London, said: "Irreversible damage is caused during the process of taking the mammalian brain into sub-zero temperatures. The wishful thinking engendered by cryogenics companies is irresponsible.

    The Institute holds 145 humans and 125 pets. Members can contribute $120 annually to reserve their spot, and pay $28.000 (£23,000) to be frozen, most of which can be covered through a life insurance policy. These fees include the cost of re- animation. The institute is non-profit making and two staff members are paid. Including the girl there are at least 16 Britons suspended in the institute's fibre-glass tanks.
     
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  18. Greenarmyjoe

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    What if the ice thaws out? :emoticon-0143-smirk
     
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    That's what the polar bears keep asking.
     
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    Yes, that is happening also.. :eek:
     
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