A bit grumpy tonight having received a phone call earlier to let me know that I didn't get the job that I interviewed for yesterday. The interview process was me given 10 mins to prepare to prepare and deliver a 10 mins presentation (on a subject given to me on the day) for a panel of 5 people and then answer their questions. 10 mins break then another 50 mins interview with 3 different people who asked 12 questions between them. The very nice lady who rang me said that (unusually for them) they had 6 outstanding candidates(inc me) and that the lady that got the job got it because she was already doing the job-she said she couldn't give me any other feedback because my performance was of a standard that would normally have got the job...... I was so tempted to ask her why the f$*k they bothered to put the other 5 of us through the whole process when they already had someone waiting and clearly able to do the role. A massive and long winded futile process for a job paying 40% less than what I was on in the RN, but a job I really wanted and would have been good at. That's the third time I have been shortlisted and lost out to an internal candidate at interview. At this rate I really will end being an unemployment statistic.
Lyndy, keep going the right job will come along.. You have got to the final in them.. head up and go forward.. it will happen. Now have a nice glass red.
I will bet any money that this league thing will be back at some stage. It gets me that these supposed professional people can't seem to fathom that most current league clubs struggle with income now. How the feck they think having 3 less matches in a season can be of benefit. Some of the clubs probably could cope with that having an owner with a few quid they chuck their way. However, the vast majority don't and the gate money , however small their gates may be, is vital. I do hope that the clubs continue to tell tell them to bugger off.
Just read your post made whilst I was typing the above. Have to tell you this happens over and over in Civvy Street. My daughter doesn't have to do interviews these days as she has a job she is happy with and doesn't want another one but before she got this one she went for job after job being shortlisted. I warned her that the first thing she should do is watch the other candidates to see who the internal people were most familiar with. This was usually an indication that there was a candidate already half in the chair. The interview procedure was to satisfy HR and the rule book. The amount of times the one whose name they all already knew got the job was a shocker. Welcome to the outside World lyndie.
If it's public sector, they have to interview to avoid accusations of bias. So they waste your time and then give it to the person they first thought of....
Yes, it was public sector (NHS)-all 8 interviewers were female as well so I guess I was always fighting a loosing battle......
Be honest though lyndhurst, were you really cut out for brain surgery? I'm mean, hacking a few limbs off is one thing but that requires a little bit of delicacy. If I ever went for a job in the NHS it would be Mortician. You can't get into trouble for failing to feed and water your customers and none of them complain.
What I said is I believe true but also slightly unfair. When I think about it, these things happen in the private sector too often when an internal candidate is deemed ready for promotion but the level of management above insist on "benchmarking" against external candidates. Not a good situation all round for a lot of reasons, not least a lack of trust between management tiers!
I think the law requires an employer to put a vacancy to the general public even if they have a candidate from within the organization. Sorry that you weren't successful this time Lindy....but to compensate I've sent you a brown envelope as requested...... Although not the same as your experience Lindy can I share an experience I had when I decided to leave the Engineering Company that I had worked for for 26 yrs from being an apprentice to a supervisor of my own department.....a company called Molins....a world leader in making tobacco machinery for all the major world companies. Mrs Plym and I had lost two parents to smoking related illnesses....so I decided to get out of the industry (neither of us had ever smoked during our lives) and I applied for many jobs......this was the time that Maggie Thatcher was at war with the Unions .....and engineering in particular was on a downward spiral never to fully recover.....Among the jobs that I applied for where a few workshop technician type jobs in school environments....which I did get interviews for but never got.....I was in my early forties at the time.....I did find out from one employer that all four candidates where ok for the job....but they always in those circumstances picked the oldest less threatening person who they felt wasn't sexually threatening to young teenage boys and girls...........I worked for myself for a year but didn't enjoy it.....I eventually got an instrument technicians job in a non-union firm....didn't it open my eyes to what Thatcher had done to engineering.....I turn up for an interview with my apprenticeship papers and the interviewer shoved them back over the table and said I'm not interested in that.....I decide if your good enough not your indentures or your years in the trade....I got the job and proved that I was good enough (a Molins apprentice was well respected in the industry)......this fellow who interviewed me had no engineering qualifications himself and over the years he sack many who he took on....sometime in hours of starting them, others he often took a disliking to and watched them all the time...more than one actually broke down under the pressure and didn't turn up the nexy day.....one chap actually thumped him out in the corridor and then left. If you where in a trade union they didn't want to know and if you ever had a problem and referred it to a union you where sacked on the spot. I'm affraid that Thatcher became a hated name in the engineering industry......she changed it from being a skilled invironment to being semi-skilled and jobs for skilled workers started to disappear and anyone standing at the bus stop got the job before you......I was earning half the wages I used to.....I was living off my savings for quite a few years after that.
Thanks for all your comments/stories/tips. I guess I am in a slightly unusual situation in that we could survive financially without me working (though the exotic holidays and Sky TV might have to go ) without too much difficulty, so I started off only applying for jobs that I really want to do and that I know I would be really good at- tbh I haven't even really thought about the salary, so this makes rejection even more irritating. Thinking about trying to get some sort of driving job now, just to get me out of the house. Other problem is that I have a seriously knackered knee, deaf in one ear and am 52 years old so hard physical work is off the radar as well. Oh well, onwards and upwards.
Cheers Ron- brown envelope received this afternoon. Doesn't look too bad in that shot but it was absolutely pouring down and I had to find a 48 hour dry cleaner so my suit would be alright for the Remembrance day parade. I also made the mistake of taking a Padre with me who decided to witter on endlessly after Reveille, despite the players and me all standing there shivering and rather damp.
Blimey the PO doing well...that just caught the 6pm post Wednesday evening.....roughly 19hrs door to door.
I see that Kevin Nugent has become caretaker manager at Charlton......he came to PASALB's Christmas social last year with Paul Dalton.....good evening spent by all.
Hope the Envelope was full Plym.. Lyndy next time get a wig and a pair heels on.. Joking aside, i have never had an interview so dont know how it works.. hope fully i never need one.. Its more difficult now to just walk on a site and get taken on, to much bull **** oh health and safety.. I,m sure you will find something soon, what about a job as Santa.. he must need some help soon for a day..
News Item....Todays Daily Express. In 2013, the EU produced a 59 page research report on proposed criteria for toilet flushing. Flushed with red tape...comes to mind. ......and to add to your enlightenment......If the poet TS Eliot has his initials reversed, his name would read "toilets" backwards......not a lot of people know that......
Gareth Southgate to have FA interview on Monday.....what on earth will they talk about.....the size of the brown envelopes he gives each interviewer to say yes you can have the job.....no talk of anyone else being interviewed....red tape comes to mind.
What is this obsession with bleddy brown envelopes? Why brown anyway, why not white or red or blue. It's the FA going through the motions. Who else would they get applying anyway. They've obviously read this thread on employment legislation and aren't taking any chances. One thing on the employment issue and who gets what from an interview. If I owned a company and was paying the wages of people I employed I would resent anyone trying to tell me who I had to employ or not employ. The same applies to promote. No wonder people are reluctant to employ anyone if they can help it. I see nothing wrong in interviewing somebody and irrespective of qualifications, if I just don't like them and like somebody else then I employ who I choose. If workers don't like that then start your own company and risk your own cash doing it. I have met some total tw*ts who have been "qualified" with the commonsense level of a polished turd. I would bet we all have met that variety in our time. I have never agreed with employing or promoting to fill certain quotas. I don't care if a trained or untrained monkey gets a job just so long as they were able to do it. I doubt I would stay in business very long as the Courts would bankrupt me in no time making me pay compensation....................and breathe...........
