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  1. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member
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    DOUBLE STANDARDS.

    The Government has accused the EU of double standards after Ireland vowed to send asylum seekers back to the UK despite France refusing to take back Channel migrants.
    The row erupted after senior Irish ministers said they would draft emergency laws to send back migrants who have arrived from the UK to avoid being deported to Rwanda.
    However...Tory ministers consider the proposal to be a "none-starter" because they are unable to send asylum seekers who arrive on small boats across the channel back to France.
    A UK government source said..."We won't accept any asylum returns from the EU via Ireland until the EU accepts that we can send them back to France.

    Daily Telegraph...Mon...29/04/2024.
     
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  2. notDistantGreen

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    It's not double standards in that Brexit apologisers have long believed we should send ours back to France, including extremists in the ruling party. The fact (facts being things Brexiteers don't major in) is we had that right when we were in the EU and voluntarily left the EU. Don't blame me, I voted to Remain.

    The current exodus into Ireland appears to have been sparked by the Rwanda bill, doomed to fail expensively as it is.
     
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  3. Plymborn

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    The EU insist on an open border with the north.....so migrants will just walk back over into the south again....they can't have it all in their favour....although the EU thinks it can always call the shots.
     
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    Peace in Ireland is in our favour too, unless you want a bomb in a pub near you.

    The new import rules governing food, plants and seeds.

    Escaping form overly restrictive EU regulations was a key Brexit selling point. So now we’re introducing overly restrictive UK regulations to protect us from food produced under overly restrictive EU regulations. Brilliant.
     
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  5. Plymborn

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    That's not what we're talking about...

    1.....Migrants arrive in small boat from France....France (a safe country) will not take them back.

    2.....Migrants cross the open border to the Republic (EU)....Republic want to return them to the UK.....why should we allow something that the French (EU) are saying no to happen to us.....we are are paying the French £millions to help beef up them stopping migrants setting sail in rubber boats.....all they seem to do is puncture the odd boat here and there....other times they just turn their backs....and they've been known to help push boat into UK waters.

    At least migrants crossing into the Republic aren't risking their lives crossing an open border.....are the Republic going to pay us £millions like we do to the French to help us keep migrant in the UK.....I doubt it.
     
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  6. notDistantGreen

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    The difference is that we cannot put the Republic in a position where it has to put border controls in place with NI because it will jeopardise the Good Friday agreement. That risks a return to sectarian violence and terrorism.

    It will also jeopardise our relationship with the United States where 2 people in 3 seem to claim Irish antecedents.

    You may ask what I’d do about it. Simples. Don’t on any account leave the EU.
     
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    The EU have really played the Good Friday Agreement to their advantage.....why oh why did we ever get involved with the EU in the first place.....bleddy Ted Heath's fault.

    Of course to start with it was the EC....European Community.....then it changed to a U S of Europe with Federalism being spoken about....a comparison with the USA.
     
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  8. notDistantGreen

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    Yes all those years of partnership with like minded Christian, white skinned democracies, relative prosperity, free access to enthusiastic cheap labour, free trade and travel, being America’s voice inside Europe….. hell on earth wasn’t it?
     
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    Never been a Maggie Thatcher fan....but she could see that we where being taken for a ride financially by Europe and got us a rebate on the money that we put in the pot.....France and Germany dominated proceedings...it was never a club of equals.
     
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    My local team Bromley will be at Wembley next week to play Solihull Moors for a place in the football League.
     
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  11. Greenarmyjoe

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    Will you be going Plym..
     
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  12. Plymborn

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    Nope.....Too much effort now at 85....knees wearing out.....and needed at home more since last August when Mrs Plym went down with Chronic Kidney Disease....been on powerful medication (Tacrolimus)....and kidneys now recovering....but still on a high mg dose till at least August/September.

    Used to go down Bromley in the 1950's when they where one of the leading amateur clubs in the country.....and played in the Isthmian League....with teams like Wimbledon...Walthamstow Avenue....Corinthian Casuals....Kingstonian....Dulwich Hamlet...other leading amateur clubs at the time up north where.....Crook Town....Bishop Auckland etc.

    Used to work with a Len Wager who was there centre half for years.....the days when top amateurs used to find something interesting rolled up in the shoe after the match.....<whistle>

    They where at Wembley last year or the year before as well....in the Cup which they won.
     
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  13. notDistantGreen

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    I watched a recording of Saturday’s Aston Villa v Chelsea game late yesterday afternoon.

    It was a hard fought game with Champions League football at stake for Villa, who were 2-0 up at half-time. Chelsea hauled it back to 2-2 by the 81st minute.

    In the 95th minute, with Chelsea pressing for a winner, the ball bounced near the corner flag. The referee Craig Pawson “missed” an absolutely blatant push by a Chelsea player which allowed the ball to be crossed for a third Chelsea goal.

    Although the ref had made no decision to be reviewed, VAR stepped in and eventually the goal was disallowed.

    How a top referee could miss that i do not know and I have a deep suspicion that Pawson bottled making a decision in febrile circumstances knowing full well VAR would correct it. VAR must go.
     
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    A BLACKLIST of hate preachers who will be banned from Britain is to be drawn up by ministers.

    A taskforce is to be set up by the Home Office to identify prominent extremists overseas to stop them them being granted visas or exclude them from the UK on the grounds they could pose a risk to public safety.

    Daily Telegraph...30/04/2024.....(this article continues in similar vain for several more paragraphs).


    I find it unbelievable that only now we are considering doing this....after the years of problems that we have had with Islamic hate preachers.

    We have the case of Abu Hamza the Islamic cleric preaching hate on our streets for years..... who we couldn't deport because it would infringe his human rights....the years it took the Home Secretary Theresa May to get him out of the country....also another Islamic cleric Abu Qatada who we took years to get rid of as well.

    Abu Hamza is the cleric who had hooks for hands and only one eye....he said he got his injuries trying to defuse a bomb in Afghanistan.....others say that he was making a bomb and didn't quite adhere to the safety aspects of the job.

    We just need to get a grip of our security and the rundown state of our military before Putin starts retaking all the country's that he believes should be Russian....and that includes Finland.
     
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  15. notDistantGreen

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    It is unbelievable Plym.

    Firstly, it’s in the Telegraph.

    Secondly, ministers don’t draw up such lists, the security services do. This is just ministers or advisers jostling for attention, especially before a general election and probably a leadership election.

    If there have been failings, these lie at the security services door.
     
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    well another crazy fool in London today woit ha sword.. 13 year lost his life .. sickening.. it wont stop me going to london tomorow tho.

    Worrying times
     
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  17. sensiblegreeny

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    Anyone who believes the Security Services do not have a file on pretty much every known problem person in this Universe is barking mad themselves. Not only do they have files on foreign problems they clearly have one on our own problem people as well. In fact probably on every prominent person there is. Keeping track of them 24/7 is the problem.

    As for our Military well if you think Russia has forces in better condition than we have you are barking up the wrong tree there as well. Most if not all Countries have crap services or at least equipment. Half of it didn't work when I was in and I left over 45 years ago and it certainly aint any better now. Putin doesn't have the capacity to invade Europe.

    With Ireland you are quite right notdistant. If they create another closed border between the two that would be the trigger for the **** to hit the fan once more. Another thing we can thank Boris and Farage for. I am about to go on holiday in a couple of weeks to Greece. 5 of us going with 3 rooms at the resort. That is now going to cost me another Euro189 for the new tax they have brought in for tourists. The extra cost of everything never ends does it. I have had a number of medical tests recently but the one thing missing in it all is I have not seen a Doctor in all of that yet and it is highly unlikely I will. So, where is that £369m a week we were told the NHS would get to make it a whole lot better if we left Europe? Every week we wind up paying for something else we can no longer have. But the slimy foreigner still sneek in goddam them. We should shoot them in the Channel and that will learn em.......
     
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  18. notDistantGreen

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    And let's not forget that at least up until the Gaza crisis started, the security services had openly said that the greatest and fastest growing threat was far-right extremists.
     
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    Don't worry they will have a file on them as well. Some of them will be under B. Braverman and of course Buffoon Borris
     
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    Now I dislike those two individuals intensely but I think MI5 had much worse in mind even than those two!
     
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