The protests are NOT supporting Hammas in any shape or form. They are condemning the killing of thousands of civilian Palestinians which includes many many women and children. I could argue that if you don't support the protests then you are supporting the IDF in doing the killing of those who cannot control the situation or fight back. I doubt the majority of those on the marches would support Hammas at all and to accuse them of it is disingenuous. The normal cry around the World is that Hammas are brutal and caused this current situation themselves. I don't totally disagree with that but the cry also is that Israel is defending itself in this current action. However, if you do argue that then you also need to look at what the Israely settlers have been doing on the West Bank there for years now. There have been hundreds of Palestinians killed by settlers and others who have been forced to leave their homes due to illegal occupation. The Israely Government have done absolutely nothing to stop this and indeed to some extent have encouraged it. So who fights back on behalf of the Palestinian people there? There is no other organsiation than Hammas who could argue they have taken their own revenge for all of those killings. Which side therefore is right and which one is wrong?
I'm not sure that's strictly true of some demonstrators Sensible. The "between the river and the sea" phrase for example is taken to mean expelling Jews from the entirety of Israel. Not only is it chanted at the demonstrations but it was projected onto Big Ben (or rather the tower in which the clock sits) during one such event. Some nationalities might ignore such things but I think if you'd had several million of your compatriots murdered in purpose-built gas chambers within living memory (just) you wouldn't be so laid-back. Credible reports suggest that on the 7th October, Hamas not only killed many unarmed civilians but raped. sexually mutilated and murdered women and it seems removed the fingers of dead children to make "medals" with. I don't doubt for one moment that such vermin would hide behind their own civilian population or site their infrastructure in and around hospitals and UN sites. The latter at least has been confirmed by independent reports even if we only have the Israelis' word on the former. It is a terrible situation and Netanyahu is a very unpalatable man who's repressed his own population by removing the protection of the courts from government excesses as well as conducting this war in a brutal way. However, will I shed a tear when the last Hamas fighter is exterminated? No I will not.
Very well put notDistant.....Many of these marchers do not understand that there will always be someone trying to turn it to their own advantage.
Israel was formed by taking by force a whole swathe of what was Palestine back in the day. So on one hand people want to get rid of Israel as a State and you now have Israel who want to get rid of Palestine. Who is right and who is wrong? I get a little fed up with the excuse being made for something that happened over 80 years ago being the green light for what Israel does now. You could argue that for people who bring up the Hallocaust all the time to be ethnically cleansing thenselves is a bit rich. To say the Protesters are supporting Hammas though is just a generalisation. There are always going to be some who want to support the ideology of Hammas but the vast majority are letting the World know they do not support the slaughter of civilians in the way Israel are doing. Don't get me wrong though I do not support Hammas in any way shape or form. The attack on Israel was disgusting and the way the attackers acted was way beyond acceptable. The response though by Israel is or rather has become almost as disgusting and the way their soldiers act is much the same. If you are to condemn one side in this then any rational thinking person has to condemn the other. The settlers on the West Bank have gotten away with their actions, which in essense is murder, for years and have been allowed to do so. That action has a lot to do with the fact Hammas are supported by Palestinians in the way they are. You could argue that the Israely people have a lot of responsibility for what goes on in that region by voting in the despot they do and doing nothing to stop the settlers. The ordinary people of Palestine do not deserve this and have no way of defending themselves against Israel. They are being blown out of existance and systematically starved to death with no way of stopping any of it. All Israel are doing is creating another 10 Hammas fighters for every family they almost obliterate. What would you do if somebody killed most or all of your kids and nearest?
What gives you the right to speak for the marchers and what they do or don't understand. I think they understand why they are there on the march perfectly well. The purpose is to try to stop the slaughter of the innocent by the majority and not just a thick load of folk who just go along for the exercise. To say they don't understand why they are there is simply patronising at it's worst. Perhaps you should pop along to the next one and put them right.
The ones who are in the wrong are the ones who shot unarmed festival goers like rabbits in a field, raped women and murdered children. PS You don’t see the Egyptians opening their border to refugees coming out or aid going freely in do you? They know what the score is and aren’t risking any Hamas contagion getting into their country.
Hamas would be pleased if the marchers helped to stop their annihilation ....and give them time to regroup and continue their barbaric ways....and to repeat their massacre of Israelis' that started the IDF's offensive into Gaza to defeat Hamas once and for all. Hamas could stop this war and the destruction that it is causing....but it isn't in their interest to save Palestinians' who they use for their own cover..... hiding amongst the suffering that they have caused by the massacre of Israeli civilians last September......so they want more marchers in the western world to help save their evil skins.
No Hamas couldn't stop this war now. They may have been the excuse for Israel to get their guns and tanks out but they can't stop it now. I understand that the ones who slaughtered first started this and were in the wrong but it is now quite blatantly wrong for Israel to do what they are doing. In 1967 Egypt got their arse kicked by Israel along with a number of other Arab countries. None of those want a repeat now in 2024. The vast majority of the marchers want food and medical aid to go into Gazza and are not there to save the skins of Hamas. I don't support Hamas but I think Israel should stop what they are doing now. There comes a point when it is no longer containment but becomes just revenge and brutality. You hit me and I kick you to death because of it. That isn't over the top in your book. I do notice that nothing is being said about what has been going on in the West Bank for years now which is the killing and driving out of Palestinians by Israely settlers. Is that not brutal and disgusting also?
sensible....you really think this started 80 years ago....your a few thousand years out with your thinking....it was then that the Jewish nation got spread across the known world and it has taken a very long time for them to come home....Hitler helped that to come to fruition with his 6 million Jewish deaths....and Arab terrorist from all over the middle east are trying to exterminate Jews just like Hitler did. But not many of these Arab countries are coming to the rescue of Palestinians or opening their borders to them....as notDistant mentioned...Egypt aren't keen to open their borders to them I wonder why....maybe they don't want to invite Hamas into Egyptian territory and cause trouble amongst Palestinians who just want to live a quiet life.
I didn't say anything about this thing starting 80 years ago. Who are the Jewish nation by the way. As far as I'm aware Judaism is a religeon and not a country and the place is Israel where not everyone is a Jew. I've already acknowledged that the Countries around don't want to get involved and said why I think that is. So any chance you might acknowledge Israels part in some of this due to the West Bank killings? You still ignore that. Who does the state of Israel actually belong to historically. It was meant to be the promised land a few thousand years ago if you believe in Gods and a biblical story. I actually don't which would not be much of a surprise to you I suspect. More recently the state of Israel was created by force at a time when the rest of the World was licking it's wounds from a World war. They then refused a Palestinian state having taken the land predominatly from Palestinians and have forcibly refused it ever since. Lets not go down this route of Arabs simply hate all Jews and want to wipe them out in a Hitler sense because that is simple bullshit. Some Arabs might but there are equally some Jews who would willingly do the same to Arabs. None of this is one sided. Slaughtering civilians a whole load of which are women and children just to get at a faction of a population is not justified in any sane world.
Can anyone explain to me what the purpose is of the ongoing court proceedings concerning the redevelopment of Armada Way and consequent feeling of trees? The trees have long gone and so has the Conservative council that did it, rightly or wrongly. We now have a Labour council with a new plan with more trees and costing a lot more money. This I’m afraid backs up my comments about how difficult it’s going to be to get all those new electricity pylons built and undersea cables laid. Environmental campaigners will be lawyering-up already to defend groups of molluscs and clumps of seaweed that might be disturbed by vital Green Energy cables….. Elsewhere, thousands of Great Crested Newts will be settling into their new homes on potential pylon sites. These precious creatures are said to be very rare but bizarrely do crop up on every proposed development site in the country. Sometimes strange lights are seen at night when these creatures appear, almost as if they’d been delivered by unknown hands. As one developer said “for almost extinct little f••kers, it’s hard not to step on one wherever I go.”
Your post sensible No 4744....and I quote your words....."I get a little fed up with the excuse being made for something that happened over 80 years ago being the green light for what Israel does now"....end of quote. If Egypt allowed the Palestinians to shelter over the border for awhile... (allowing food and medical requirements to happen)....making sure they vet those that come for terrorists hiding in their midst....which then would save lives whilst IDF soldiers then got to grips with the scum of Hamas.....but no it's down to Israel only to stop fighting allowing the terrorists to disappear into the woodwork....all one sided ain't it. The continual bombardment of Israel by Hamas year after year as caused the right wing Israelis' in the West Bank to settle there and try to move out Palestinians from that area....that shouldn't be happening....but Palestinians will not accept that an Israeli state should ever exist at all....and extremists Israelis' will continue there clearance of the West Bank as long as that view continues.
Yes a shovel load here a shovel load there will continue during the hours of darkness....a mystery....it's not as if you can talk to the trees at present down Armada Way to fathom out what is going on.....maybe tree talker Charles now that he is King can help....maybe a "doctored" photo showing the trees are still there and can be talked to would be the answer.......over to you Kate.
Read it again plymborn although I can see it could be misunderstood. I was refering to the Holocaust being an excuse for what Israel does now. and the two things having no relation to each other. A complaint that they were being killed off as a race and yet they seem to have no problem doing the self same thing to Palestinians now. I'm not going to continue this but will say that anyone who sees the pictures of young kids being dragged out of ruined building and wrapped in shrouds whilst their siblings weep and wail due to the trauma and is not moved to condemn it has no heart at all. There comes a point where it is too much and that was reached weeks ago if not months. It stops being revenge and becomes genocide.
I saw an interview with some young woman on the local news today about the tree thing and court case. She had ginger hair if you saw it so you will know which person I mean. I had to wonder who she was and where she actually comes from and lives. Is it even in Devon let alone in Plymouth itself. Probably not I suspect. She isn't speaking for me and to be fair not anyone else I have ever talked to about the tree crime. Indeed she never even asked me if I thought it was wrong and my money should be spent on fighting it in court. I would love to know what these people were trying to achieve. The trees were gone and there was no way on the planet they could be stuck back together again. I used to manage an estate. This was a place with numerous Avenues which of course had a shed load of trees running alongside the roads mainly on the side of the pavement. When they first got planted they were fine but over a number of years they did what trees do and had the cheek to grow. The roots also grew but mainly under the pavement which pushed the slabs up and made it uneven every 20 feet or so. Disabled people had great difficulty moving about in some places due to this and those no so steady on their feet strangely fell over quite often. This was also the problem in the town centre with some of these trees and planting them on pavements in built up areas was never really a good idea. How many compo claims did we pay on behalf of the Council over the years I wonder. I for one was actually glad they went and would vote for them never to be returned to the town centre area. I'm not one for just chopping down any old tree mind and they have their place and should be left alone there. I wonder if that young lady goes out at weekends and maintains woodlands and the like or if she just gets on a bandwaggon every now and again to appear a concerned citizen.
It’s not a if anyone’s taken an axe to acres of ancient broadleaf forest is it? It was a collection of scraggly trees on a grimy city street which were to be replaced anyway. That’s the way it goes: you can neither blow nor strike without someone protesting. Did I see there’s a church locally which, after protests, stopped its clock chiming at night only now to face a petition to have the chimes restored?
Don't tell anyone but if it's not raining tomorrow I was planning to dig up some weeds from my garden and bin them. They probably will have a number of bugs living on them somewhere and those will get binned along with their house. I fear if I advertise the act too loudly then there will be demonstrations outside my house and people possibly chaining themselves to my rose bushes. I do have one tree but I promise that will not be harmed in any work carried out. I will be keeping a close eye out for ginger persons of a female/male/fluid persuation.
You’ll be in trouble with the new pressure group Bugs Against Sensible. They don’t take legal action but their airborne forces will be buzzing around you and biting all summer. Extremist BAS kamikaze bugs may even sacrifice themselves by plunging into that unattended glass of wine you had been looking forward to all day. Ground based activists will eat your azaleas.
I think the Political Correctness nutters....and the stop the war marchers will get involved to protect kamikaze bugs from unprotected glasses of wine left uncovered.
Britain's approach to mental health is in danger of having "gone too far".....with the" normal anxieties of life"....being labelled as illnesses....the Work and Pensions Secretary has warned. Speaking as he unveiled plans to make 150,000 people signed off work with "mild" conditions look for a job...Mel Stride said that the UK's benefit bill was being pushed up by the problem. Speaking to ...The Telegraph...he suggested that an increased public focus on talking about mental health has led to people effectively self-diagnosing. His intervention comes amid growing alarm over the rising welfare bill....which is forecast to hit £100 billion this year...and the impact of worklessness on the economy....The increasing cost is being fuelled by a sharp rise in the number of people...especially the young...who are on-long sickness payments for mental health conditions. Mr Stride warned that "as a culture...we seem to have forgotten that work is good for mental health"...and suggested people were being signed off too easily. Daily Telegraph...21/03/2024. Now there is something that would get my vote at the next general election. This is all part of the "Doctor Surgery"...illness at the moment.....phone up the surgery and get a telephone appointment in two weeks time option.....my surgery could have moved up to the Outer Hebrides for all I know... seeing what chance I ever get to see a Doctor.
