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  1. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member
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    And gave idiots the vote to vote OUT........... I won't forgive for that either. You should welcome him with open arms given he allowed you to realise your dreams.
     
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    Hard to forgive Cameron for allowing a referendum but at least it's a move back to the decent wing of the party.
     
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  3. Plymborn

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    You are in a nasty mood today sensible....but that's not unusual.
     
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  4. sensiblegreeny

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    In fairness I don't think he ever thought it would go the way it did. I certainly didn't or allow for a lying bastard to emerge and for so many gullable people to swallow the lies.
     
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    Oh Christ here we go again with the "you're picking on me" stuff. You must know by now I'm always in a nasty mood and especially on a Monday........
     
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  6. notDistantGreen

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    This has been going on a month and the Israelis have made repeated requests for civilians to move south and for hospitals to be evacuated. It's likely Hamas have been stopping that as they need their human shields and we haven't seen other Arab nations springing to their aid. Hamas are Iran's creatures and nobody wants to get involved in that.

    There is plenty a fake news out there inspired by both sides. That first strike near the main hospital on 17th October that was supposed to have killed or injured hundreds was identified early on as NOT being the work of the Israelis and was unlikely to have killed or injured many people at all. The Israelis have been using heavy "bunker buster" weapons, the aftermath of which look like this:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-67278339

    This is the damage after the 17th October strike:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-67278339

    I saw an ex UK military guy interviewed. He'd been involved in planning air strikes in Afghanistan and Iraq and so on and he explained how probable civilian casualties were factored in. He said the tolerance for civilian casualties was virtually zero, except when an unexpected opportunity to take out a very high ranking terrorist cropped up and the civilians at risk were associated with that target rather than the general public. He said from what he could see, that the Israelis were NOT applying those same standards.

    However, Hamas are deliberately hiding behind civilians and have set up their military infrastructure to be protected by civilian sites. What are the Israelis supposed to do? Just wait for the next bloodthirsty Hamas raid targeted specifically and unapologetically at civilians?
     
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  7. Plymborn

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    Proof tonight of Hamas using Hospital basements as command posts....with lots of ammo and explosive vests....but of course that is just propaganda....Hamas said it's no so....so they must be telling the truth of course.
     
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  8. sensiblegreeny

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    I don't think anyone has said that Hamas are not using the ordinary folk as shields have they? I think that is pretty well documented but believing everything the Israelies put out there is also a tad naive. I'm not sure any Politician of any creed or colour is capable to tell the whole truth and nothing but. However, I don't care if they are being used or not, that is no excuse for Israel to slaughter civilians in the amounts they are. I get that there will be colateral damage in any conflict and that some civilians are bound to be caught up in that but not the scale that is being reported. This is nothing short of punishment in the same vein as this Country bombing Dresden in the WW2. That wasn't a military necessity either it was pure revenge. This will be the same revenge that thousands of young Palestinians will want in time to come because of this.
     
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  9. notDistantGreen

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    I did say fake news from both sides…

    The British Army has a doctrine of Courageous Restraint. When under fire from behind human shields, they do not return fire.

    The Israelis have had 1,000 plus civilians brutally murdered In barbarous terrorist attacks. Courageous Restraint isn’t coming into it and it’s more like Righteous Fury. I don’t expect many Hamas prisoners are being taken. It isn’t what we expect of modern armies and frankly it isn’t right. It is I’m afraid understandable though and if Hamas can be wiped off the face of the Earth, then it will be a better place.
     
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  10. notDistantGreen

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    Listening to the news this morning, I was thinking about the return of David Cameron, the man who brought the catastrophe of Brexit upon us.

    I moved on ti think about our domestic problems of getting an electrician and a plumber. Pre Brexit, it was relatively straight forward, now they don’t even return your calls.

    Then, I saw a story on the BBC about underage food delivery riders. One under 18 was killed working for Deliveroo. There was a film showing police cars stopping riders, I assumed to check their ages ti ensure their safety. Not entirely, they’ve got the immigration service in tow who enthusiastically arrested some poor lad for having the temerity to bust his balls for next to nothing without the right paperwork so Brits could stuff their faces in front of the TV.

    So no plumbers, no electricians and soon no chicken madras to your door. We’re saved! Whoopee!
     
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    Just on the subject of takeaways: last weekend was my other half’s monthly trip up to see her Mum and my daughter was out. Ideal chance for a takeaway.

    Like most, I must admit the collection of takeaway menus we have in a drawer are on the old side, so according to that, meal for one (sweet & sour pork, chicken chow mien, rice and enough prawn crackers to feed an army) £11.99. Current price £19.99. That’s inflation for you.
     
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  12. notDistantGreen

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    Well what a fiasco. The Supreme Court has not only ruled against the "Rwanda arrangement", it's judgement totally decimates any possibility that it could ever have been workable, let alone moral.

    Rwanda has itself deemed 100% of asylum applications illegal - every single one - and even after the agreement was signed, they've been sending migrants back to the countries they came from, which is illegal. This includes returning people to Syria, Yemen and Afghanistan where it's unlikely they'll have been warmly received to put it mildly. Some of this occurred under a treaty between Israel and Rwanda which is very similar in nature to the proposed one between the UK and Rwanda. Not a single appeal has ever been allowed and some of the appeal procedures our government tried to rely on have never been operated in practice.

    The court has also noted that the agreement is illegal in British law without needing to refer to international treaties.

    Whether or not you think that this sordid arrangement is one which Britain ought to associate itself with, I shouldn't think anyone could imagine this has been done properly by the CFO under Bravermen. If she hadn't been sacked for stirring up racial hatred and undermining the police, she should have been sacked for incompetence.
     
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  13. Greenarmyjoe

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    Plenty of plumbers out there just to busy .. we return all calls but cant take much more work on.. i suspect most sparkies are the same. due to a lack of trades now.. thats why the prices are high now. there seems to be a lot of food delivery people about at the moment lots of electric bikes ,, do they get these from the takeawy companies and pay weekly at a high cost probably
     
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  14. sensiblegreeny

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    You must have heard Rushi today notdistant. Not a mention of the £8m a day on hotels, not a mention of the around £200m spent on the Rwanda non starter. No mention of the millions given to France. Not a sorry for feckin up to be seend anywhere. What we did get is I've got a bucket with a leak in it but I'm going to keeping putting water in it with the hope I can put it in as fast as it leaks out. That's the sum total of plan B. The sooner this shambles is kicked out the better for us all. Even if that means Starmer.
     
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  15. notDistantGreen

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    It's fecking shambles. Can I just note that when we were in the EU, we had a right to return illegal immigrants coming from there. But the Brexit morons wanted to Stop The Boats and even subscribed to the "Buy Your Own Torpedo" offer in the Daily Mail [email protected].

    We're now going to amend UK law so that we can torpedo the boats although that's still illegal under international law.

    Then if European judges block it under humanitarian laws we mistakenly signed up (indeed were led astray by that left wing demagog Winston Churchill), we're going to be really cross.
     
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  16. notDistantGreen

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    I’m intrigued to know how the government is going to legislate to legalise something that the highest court in the land has said is illegal .

    If there is evidence to say Rwanda has illegally returned asylum seekers to the countries they have fled (which the courts say there is), where they are highly likely to be persecuted and perhaps be murdered, how are we going to legislate to say that doesn’t matter?

    The whole point of the exercise don’t forget is to effectively turn people away at the border with no review whatsoever of whether they have a valid reason to flee their own countries. The whole point is not to allow them to claim asylum or put their claim to the UK courts. It’s all very well saying they should seek asylum before they come but in the countries most likely to persecute its citizens, the very act of seeking asylum in preparation to leave could be fatal.

    We would therefore be saying we simply don’t care whether there are people in the boats who may be killed if they are sent home.

    If we do that, what does that say about this government and the cabal of MP’s and hard right voters they’re running scared of?
     
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    Braverman is now saying there should be legislation to prevent the courts ruling on the legality of government actions.

    She’s mad, bad and very dangerous. Upsetting the balance between the executive and an independent judiciary would be a significant step toward dictatorship.
     
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  18. sensiblegreeny

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    I watched "most" of tonight's game England v Malta. But, I ask myself why did I even start and when I did why did I persevere with it. That has to be one of the most boring games I have ever seen. England players were shocking and it got passed backwards around double the times it went the other way. Awful.
     
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    Poor wasn't it? As was the quality of the refereeing. Is this really a dive?

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  20. Plymborn

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    I was going to have a peep at it....but the rain running down the window pane was rather intriguing so I didn't bother.
     
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