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  1. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You don't need the News of the World they are ALL pretty much alike in what they do. Any chance to hound and destroy somebody and off they go like a good un.
     
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  2. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The UK gave India.....£2.3 billion in aid during 2021.

    In the meanwhile India must be spending billions on send a rocket to the moon.....Chandrayaan-3......will taking off today ?.

    India's economy is growing whilst ours is stagnant.......I wonder why.
     
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  3. notDistantGreen

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    The NotW was of course the sister paper of the Sun, effectively the Sun on Sunday, and it's biggest claim to fame was to hack the phones of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler and her family. Gives a good idea of its journalistic standards.

    It was also strongly linked to Southern Investigations, a private detective agency which in turn had, shall we say, close associations of a shady kind with the Metropolitan Police. This cosy triumvirate came crashing down following the death of Daniel Morgan, one of Southern Investigations principals. His death was due not to natural causes but a bad case of an axe in the head in a Sydenham pub car park.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morgan

    However, not all of the British media are like that. There's still good reporting in what used to be called the broadsheets (excluding the Telegraph) and in what the BBC is doing with Verify.

    In Trumpian times, we need those operations, here and abroad, that published Watergate, Thalidomide, the Pentagon Papers, Blatter and FIFA and the rest.
     
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  4. notDistantGreen

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    Well, that's the problem with using aid money to try to buy trade & influence instead of using it to help the poor, the starving and the oppressed.
     
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  5. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Didn't I not mention the other day....was the Stonehenge tunnel going to happen ?

    YES it is.....the Department for Transport has just approved....£1.7 BILLION for a two mile tunnel under Stonehenge.

    .....and I thought this country was hard up.
     
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  6. Greenarmyjoe

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    well i haven't bought any comics for over 25 years .. absolute drivel. i have never had any social media accounts either never had facebook for business or pleasure. i have the bbc and sky news apps on my phone but the notifications are off as its all the same crap. i was away for two weeks and every notification was about this story. I'm not interested in such rubbish. no wonder more of these people have issues . last month it was scohfield now this who is next. I'm like you sensible i don't give a fxxk about the papers or such news .. it just gets worse ..
     
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  7. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Ben Wallace the Defence Secretary has decided to step down from his Cabinet position at the next time the PM reshuffles his Cabinet (Sept ?)......and not stand for re-election at the next General Election.

    There are not many MP's who get the respect that Wallace has earned.....there are reasons why he will not continue.....one surely must be the continuing shrinking of the armed forces during a time of European trouble....and that is without mentioning China.
     
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  8. notDistantGreen

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    Well and being blocked from the post of NATO Secretary General by Biden as the French demanded that someone from the EU should get the post.

    A good example of how our diplomatic influence has waned post Brexit I'm afraid.
     
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  9. Plymborn

    Plymborn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    French demands would just be the same even if we where still in the EU....you can't trust a froggy.
     
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  10. notDistantGreen

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    The big news today is we’ve joined the CPTPP trade organisation. This is expected to add a mighty 0.1% to GDP over 10 years and potentially undermines UK standards such as those on the use of palm oil and presence of hormones in beef. So much for leaving the EU to make UK law sovereign.

    The minuscule increase in GDP compares to the 4% we lost by leaving the EU.
     
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  11. sensiblegreeny

    sensiblegreeny Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    No matter how many times you say it notdistant there are still those who won't believe any of it. You can't trust a froggy like you could Boris of course. Or Rab or Truss or even Rushi. All of those are so honest of course. It sounds more like I won't continue to play if I can't be the striker and it's my ball. I'm a bit unsure of what respect Wallace has actually earned anywhere in his time. Any conflicts prevented? Any more people in the Army? Any more cash in the Defence budget? Did we win a war somewhere? Ah wait, we must have talked a good argument for something somewhere that would be it.
     
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  12. notDistantGreen

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    America now regards France as its diplomatic access point to the EU when it used to be us. Because of that, it will tend to back it in NATO. It's inevitable.. and predictable. Indeed it was predicted but Leavers didn't listen.

    I think Wallace is well regarded generally (although he's a Brexiteer and a Johnson supporter). Served 5 years in a Guards regiment, including time in NI and has been an MP for 18 years, including 7 years in security and defence ministerial posts - that's a long time in the present febrile political climate. If he's not qualified to lead NATO, I'm not sure who is, but that's the state we're in.
     
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    It looks like another ex-military man will take over from Ben Wallace,,,,,,Tom Tugendhat.
     
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  14. notDistantGreen

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    Abortion is a sad thing for all concerned and with contraception freely available, there ought not to be much need for it, Nevertheless, subject to proper rules protecting viable foetuses and with appropriate counselling, it can’t be avoided in all cases.

    I’m annoyed to hear though that a woman who, during lockdown when face to face counselling was restricted, procured an abortion possibly as late as 34 weeks by obtaining pills over the phone has had her prison sentence reduced on appeal. The legal limit for abortion is 24 weeks and all abortions over 10 weeks should be performed in the safety of a clinic after proper medical review.

    I respect a woman’s right to choose, up to a point, which is defined by the law of the land, This was a rare but utterly flagrant breach and she should have been made an example of so as not to bring the whole process into doubt.

    There’s little excuse for getting into this situation in the first place and what she did is unforgivable.
     
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  15. Plymborn

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    Point taken notDistant..... also the face to face Doctor appointments that seem to be the norm in this day and age....how many medical cock-ups are being made.....I feel that some surgeries have latched on to this system even now long after the need of restrictions have finished.....too many Doctors are working two or three day weeks and retaining faceless consultation's fits in nicely with their lifestyles.
     
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  16. sensiblegreeny

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    You have 3 daughters I believe notdistant. There but for the grace of god etc etc. You make no mention of her circumstances and reasons for doing what she did. Sometimes just saying something is against the law is not enough. I don't know why she did it but there is no good purpose in putting somebody in prison for it. She is not going to be any danger to anyone else and nobody else got hurt by her actions. I agree with the appeal judges. Not all contraception works all of the time. Not all protection provides it 100% against an STD. Not all speeding motorists kill or injure somebody else only soe do. You can't just say that things are totally preventable because they aren't.
     
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  17. notDistantGreen

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    Three daughters? Are you mad?

    There's no excuse whatsoever for what she did. She'd been researching how to do it for weeks before it happened and lied to get the pills. I know what she did because the case has been reported.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-65882169

    People need to take responsibility for their own lives generally and that includes not having children they can't afford to give a decent, healthy and happy life. The means to avoid unwanted pregnancy are easily available. She killed not a tiny little of bundle of cells not yet identifiable as a human but a viable baby. Babies have survived at 21 weeks, she killed hers at 34 weeks. That's what the law is the way it is. If she'd killed it 6 weeks later after it had been born, it would be murder, you can't deny that.

    I don't care what her domestic circumstances were. Responsibility for a child is the most profound obligation you can carry and she broke that trust. There is a purpose in the law and to sending her to prison for an utterly egregious offence against a viable child. That is to make it clear to others not to do the same thing. Where does the law stand now after this totally misguided judgement?
     
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  18. notDistantGreen

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    I should say I'm not an anti-abortionist as such. There are medical circumstances in which it's necessary and sometimes social or personal reasons too. But it should be done as early as possible, which requires good medical provision and parents who take charge of their situation promptly and proactively The process should give time for supportive counselling to make sure parents are making a decision they won't regret later, whatever that decision is.

    Waiting until the baby is fully formed and capable of independent life is just not on.
     
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  19. sensiblegreeny

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    If you haven't got 3 daughters then my appologies as I thought I'd remembered you saying that somewhere in an age gone by. I'm not saying what she did was right particularly. I just don't see it as cut and dried murder as you are suggesting. There are a thousand and one reasons she may have done this and just to get rid is obviously one but things are seldom that simple. Locking her up doesn't serve any purpose in my book but each to their own on that one. The comment about 3 daughters was to suggest that unwanted pregnancy can happen to anyone regardless of their circumstances and despite the best of prevention methods. Saying don't get pregnant in the first place isn't really an answer to anything. I don't think what she did was right but I'm not going to hang her for it either.
     
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    There are no valid reasons for terminating the life of a viable human infant. That’s why the legal time limit is set at 24 weeks. At that stage, the number that would survive is vanishingly small.

    To move on to another subject we’ve spoken about, the Met police yesterday admitted responsibility for a several botched investigations into the murder of Daniel
    Morgan and settled with his family.

    One of the reasons the initial investigation was botched was to cover up the corruption between the Met, the News of the World newspaper and Southern Investigations.

    No comment from Rupert Murdoch of course.
     
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