I have given up believing anything Politicians promise whichever party they hail from. I don't think there has ever been a bigger bunch of self serving morons as there is now.
WOW! Just seen the news that Tina Turner has died. Have to say she was one of my all time favourites. There doesn't half seem to be a load of the old singers and actors going this year so far. Think this one though is particularly sad.
I think that PC 49...alias the actor Jack Warner a proper beat copper from the days when police where respected...must be turning in his grave when being compared with today's police force. Case after case in the news continually of police raping, murdering and other criminal activity....todays paper tells us of a ..."Senior police officer honoured by the late Queen accused of rape"....."racist" police unit pinned Nazi-themed posters on wall......."Ex-Met Chief in botched sex ring case faces investigation. Every day there is something new......these are not new police officers having joined the force recently through Boris and his push for 20,000 new police officers.....but you wonder how they will turn out if they are learning from their peers.
Where are the workers ? Nearly four million people are being paid jobless benefits without ever having to look for work following a surge in claims of mental health and joint pain during lockdown. Around 3.7 million of the 5.2 million people claiming out-of- work benefits have been granted an exemption from finding a job, meaning that taxpayers face bankrolling their benefits indefinitely. The number has grown by half a million since Covid, when face to face health checks were replaced with remote assessments, official data show. Their benefits cost the the taxpayer between £22.5 billion and 26.5 billion every year, according to the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ) Front page headlines in todays....Daily Telegraph....Thurs...25/05/2023. Why am I not surprised at these figures.....if that is happening under the Tory party....just imagine what the figure would be under the Labour party.
Well unfortunately we've become a nation in which certain illnesses and disabilities have become fashionable. If you don't have an allergy, a mental illness brought on by fear of having to get out of bed before 11 or a spot of gender dysphoria then there really is something wrong with you.
I expect it depends what time the pub opens in some areas'....why get up too early and get caught in the rush hour.
There are a couple of serious points about this which have been in the news lately. Firstly, a BBC journalist underwent a thorough face-to face assessment by a NHS consultant who concluded that he did NOT have ADHD. He then went to a number of private pay-per-view clinics, who assessed him online were willing to give him a positive diagnosis and prescribe medication. If this is what's going on, it's no wonder we have some many unfit for work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65534449 Secondly, two experts are saying that employers should potentially be held responsible if one or their workers commits suicide and it's subsequently deemed to be due to their work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-65651606 I know where that's going to lead. Employers have a duty to keep their workers safe, that's indisputable. They deal with that by managing risks, That involves designing the safest possible working methods, training, providing safety equipment, rigorously recording and evaluating accidents that do occur, whether injury is caused or not, and health monitoring where appropriate. But no employer is going to employ someone with a respiratory disease in a dusty environment. So we'll see a big increase in pre-employment psychological testing and some applicants being turned down as potential risks. Then there'll be howls of complaint about discrimination.
How right wing the comments from you both are. You imply that anyone claiming a benefit must by definition be a malingering waste of space who can't possibly be actually ill in any way. Never mind perhaps having a genuine mental illness. Lets face it there have always been certain people who have made a living out of claiming benefits and exagerating disabilities so it isn't anything new. But, you cannot tar all of them with the same brush. Many people were totally isolated during the lockdown period having been made to stay at home and not allowed to mingle with their social circle if they had one. You cannot tell me that it wouldn't have any affect on some. The same applies to school kids. The amount of absenteeism now from schools is much higher than it was. It has been stated that this was due in part to the same thing. Isolation from their peer group and now issues with going back into the school environment. If it's accepted that kids have issues and what caused them then what is so different in an older group. I also find it a bit ludicrous to say that somehow if the Labour Party were in power now the numbers would be higher. Why and what is that sort of statement based on? If you want an example of somebody who is a clingon and is milking the Country and anyone who comes within arms length then look no further than Tory Boy Boris.
Times have changed Sensible. Those in real need should be looked after well and those that scam the system steal resources that should be devoted to them. I’ll give you a couple of questions to see if you are really up to date with modern working practices sufficiently widespread to warrant their own names. What are: Twatting? Quiet Quitting?
How right wing my comments...just because I perceive that not needing to see your doctor face to face....and having to put on an oscar worthy display that I'm too poorly to work...is now not necessary.... to acquire a sick note to get off not working...so I can sit in front of the telly until the pubs open life style. A doctors surgery is becoming a thing of the past for many people who have not mastered the 8am call for an appointment (and don't want to )....and end up speaking to someone on the phone who allows them to literally self-diagnose their "illness". We are becoming a work shy nation.....and now have the benefit of "food banks" to help them....that originally where set up for those who genuinely needed help to survive.....every week Mrs Plym will drop food items worth £3 or £4 into the supermarkets "food bank" container on the way out....and I just hope that the right people end up with it. We all know that the Labour Party is into state hand-outs for the poor....which is to be commended....but that hand-out should go to the genuine poor not the the work shy so-called poor. Oh for a Political Party that has the gumption to sort this country out....Tory and Labour are unable and the Lib-Dems are a joke....the Greens..what are they ?.....and the SNP are only for Scotland and are self imploding.....where is the leadership coming from.
It is the perception that all these people are not ill and therefore must be just cheating the system. Nobody is allowed to be sick being a drain on the purse. We are becoming a workshy Nation???????? Are we. Is that what the Daily Mail says. The Labour Party is into state handouts for the poor. That statement is akin to let them eat cake. Who are the genuine and who are the work shy? Is that your opinion the same sort of opinion as kick the foreigners out. What you are doing is making a broad sweep statement based on nothing you actually know. You've read stuff somewhere and therefore it of course must be true. The fact is that there are some people who will swing the lead as there is in every situation allowing money to be made. However to brand a whole section of the population a waste of space and resources is just plainly something way out right I'm guessing you don't claim anything. You therefore think that gives you the superior moral high ground to slag off others who do. Lets add in the Pensioners who never made provision for themselves in their working life who now drain the system in credits and Care Home payments. I mean they could have paid for a pension for themselves when working couldn't they. What about the people who live a bit too long and draw more money than they have paid in the end. Lets just kill them off and save a few quid. Notdistant I have never heard either of those names and if it's modern parlance then I have been out of the work arena for 14 years so that isn't surprising. But, it means nothing just because somebody has coined a name for it. It has always been the case that some will con a system so hardly a new phenomina. I worked in Social Housing for 30 years. I don't need lessons in families, whole families in some cases, who con a system and do nothing for mankind. I also knew many households who had genuine need of help at times and the Boswells from Bread are or were less than them. It's funny though how attitudes towards those who receive changes perceptibly when financial bombs hit society. They are an easy target to aim at and blame when purses squeak a bit more. The right wing comments comes from that attitude towards the needy and lets face it history has shown it becomes more prevelent in those times. Anyone heard what happened in 1930's Germany as an example. He blamed a race of people and the rest of the population went along with it to their shame. What happened next is there for all to see. I am not surprised at plymborns comments as I think it's consistent with his overall train of thought on his World but I was more surprised at your's.
So 5.2 million people are genuinely unable to work and are claiming benefits.....that is a massive percentage of the workforce....how naive can one person really get. So comparing my views with Hitler and what happened to the Jews in Germany is beyond belief...and quite insulting... how can you be so opinionated and so so self righteous about your beliefs and everyone else is wrong, wrong, wrong. Your obviously Gods gift to not606 and we should be glad that your here to keep correcting the errors of our ways....are you really real....or is it April fools day and your going to shout out gotcha and start laughing how easy you fooled everyone.....is it never possible to have a discussion without you become so arrogant and abusive.....why do I bother to read anything you say and give my opinion about it..... I never learn do I.....your views on me are so far from the truth I wonder at times if your just trying to wind me up.
There you go again with your woe is me reply. I reply to what you write so if you find that offensive or opinionated then tough. You miss the point completely because you can't argue your stance. Right wing thinking in Germany led to the stuff the history books show. It was easy to pick on a soft target when the going got tough for the population at large. Once you get people to blame those you are pointing at then the rest comes easy. It's what happened. You have a pop at the vulnerable in much the same way. They are all leeches and a burdon and bring nothing to society. Do you not think it's insulting to throw stones at the vulnerable? Probably not because they don't fit into your idea of what a World should be. Can I just point out that there are 5.2 million not working. That is not the number who claim to be sick and incapable of work. Read what I post or don't. Frankly I couldn't care less one way or the other. I don't profess to be gods gift to anything and don't actually believe in one to start with. A discussion is an exchange of views. If you post something I don't agree with strongly then I have as much right to voice an opinion as you had posting it in the first place. If you are so precious and easily offended then perhaps you should think twice about posting political type views in the first place then it won't hurt your tender feelings. Either way the answer to your last few words is no you don't and clearly haven't in 80+ years.
Twatting - coming into the office only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. Businesses such as gyms, golf clubs, eateries, barbers and hairdressers have seen a noticeable part of their trade move from weekends to weekdays as those “working from home” stretch flexibility to the limits That wasn’t in the Daily Mail but statements by trade bodies. Quiet Quitting - attending work and getting paid but secretly following a regime of non-involvement and non-cooperation. Doing the minimum necessary not to get noticed. Going to meetings but never saying anything. Putting pages of a document into the photocopier one by one rather than using the feeder etc. Popular with and openly discussed by millennials.
I’ve come to the conclusion that a significant proportion of cases diagnosed as ADHD are in fact HVBP Had Very Bad Parents.
None of those things have anything whatsoever to do with long term sick or mental illness notdistant. What you are quoting is people who actually go to work or pretend to work when they do nothing. I don't actually see why you need to give any of those categories a new name. I knew people who were very accumplished at doing precisely those things when I worked so it isn't exactly new is it. My daughter works from home quite a few days a week these days. This started with the pandemic and because it actually worked for them it has continued into working life today. She does a maximum of 2 days in the Office and the rest at home. This was not her choice but the choice of the Employer. Again not everyone who works from home is stretching credibility and enjoying a social life on paid time. Going back to the long term sick who are categorised as not being able to work those also do not fit nicely into the everyone is on the make page either. The same as not everyone diagnosed with ADHD is just naughty. It isn't just kids who are diagnosed with that. My surprise with you is that you seem willing to put them all in the one category without any thought that some may actually be genuine. I acknowledge that there are those who just won't work and use the system to take whatever they can get. I also acknowledge that there are those who work who don't really and take advantage of any loophole to skive. There always has been those and there always will be but you cannot dismiss 5.2 million people as all scroungers.
You worked in different groups then Sensible. I can only remember one. She was consistently sick on the Fridays before and/or Tuesdays after bank holidays and indeed brazenly discussed with me the bands she’d seen at a festival over the bank holiday weekend on which she’d theoretically been sick. She was good at her job though and not my direct responsibility so I let it pass, I thought I’d made it clear I believed on proper support for those genuinely unfit to work. What I dispute is whether all that claim are genuinely unfit. Like it or not, an increasing proportion of the population think the world owes them a living or more specifically, I do as a 40% taxpayer. After years of 10 hours a day minimum for decades, no lunches, plus something most weekends, I feel I’ve done my bit and now have my own to look after thanks.
No you didn't make it clear as per above. I've already acknowledged that there are those who buck the system for their own ends and those that go to work and do very little if nothing. I think they have always existed and probably always will. I never earned enough to fit into the 40% tax bracket but have never been unemployed and have paid in my share based on earnings. I too more than often worked extra hours. The vast majority unpaid. I too also took work home and finished it again unpaid. I used to attend Court regularly and often had 15 to 20 cases to take. I could never get a quiet moment in the Office to sift them and make sure all the paperwork was there and right. I did that at home the night before the Hearings. My lunch was spent at my desk doing something whilst eating whatever I had for lunch most days. I also feel I've done my bit. However I do also have some regard for the less fortunate in society even if I know there are some who are just taking the pi**.
This tax and spend Conservative government has no intention of raising tax thresholds. So within a few years, there will be income tax payable on the state pension, itself not enough to provide a decent standard of living. Taxing the state pension. Have you ever heard of anything so ludicrous? And of course it means millions in work but at the bottom of the pay scale will be taxed on an income that’s hardly sufficient to sustain life. It’s precisely the problem that so many in relatively ordinary jobs now pay 40% tax. It’s no less than 1 in 5 of the workforce. It’s not so much the 40% I object to but the ever lower levels of relative income at which it kicks in.
