Blimey....you seemed to enjoy telling us that lot notDistant. Drake's statue of course didn't need mentioning....that will be an obvious target...plus the one in Tavistock as well.
I will lay odds that the vast vast majority of people, black or white, did not know much about most of these statue subjects and even less about their history. I will wager that most people who have walked past these statues have not even read anything about the person it depicts. I bet none have gone home and looked them up. I haven't in the most cases. For example I knew who Drake was and what he did for England and locally with the water supply and such but I did not know anything about his slave dealings. Now everyone is enraged about these statues being there. You already know my feelings on racism so I'm not going to explain it further. I do think this fury at the moment is misplaced and to be frank not worth the news headlines. Generally the statues are there because the person did something for their local area, town or City. That's what most people remember and if we are to go down the "how did they get their wealth" route then every rich families Estate will be burnt to the ground. It's a pointless exercise. I think the efforts to get racism stamped out should concentrate on the current which is much more relevant than history. The Floyd story in the USA is what kicked this off and the message is being diverted from that when public opinion has never been so with them..
Spot on sensible.....there are those out there with their own agendas.........just imagine looking out from the Hoe one day towards Drake Island....but because of pressure the Council have had to rename it.....you can't sweep history away because of 21st century opinions.
You can't just rename something and expect people to forget. Swilley will always be Swilley and only the new will think of it as North Prospect. Dubious pasts is not just one sided. Nelson Mandella was a Freedom Fighter or Terrorist? Depends who you ask but he was involved in violent acts. He also knew what Winnie did. Where do you stop if you go down those routes. Drake has his name on a whole load of places in Plymouth. Drakes Island, Drake Circus, Drake Ward politically and so on. Lets not forget HMS Drake. There just isn't any way that a street name or place name glorifies racisim.
Bournemouth, Christchurch & Poole Council have removed the statue of Robert Baden-Powell that is situated on the harbour wall at Poole....because of concerns that it will be vandalized by those that have issues with certain things in his life. I have seen this statue which is at ground level (not on a plinth) it is next to were the ferry leaves for Brownsea Island....where Powell started the scouting movement with a campsite there. I've got a better idea....why don't we just erase the whole scout movement worldwide to make happy those that have an agenda against anything that might be seen as being not 101 % supportive of how they see the world. This whole thing is being driven by idiots who will just undermine the real requirements of what happened to one black man at the hands of an American police force that needs educating on how to deal with a suspect whatever colour skin they have.
If there is a move to take down all objectionable statues, can we get that thing outside the Theatre Royal melted down to make one of Antoni Sarcevic?
Could you explain to me please....as I'm not familiar with this statue being long gone from the area ?
The American Police Force know perfectly well how to deal with a white suspect. It is the Black ones they need to learn something about which is the point of the protests and rightly so. The thing outside the Theatre Royal is not meant to depict a black person even if it is made of black metal. It is however a monstrosity and in need of relocation. Preferably in the Plym or the Sound. I listened to a load of entertainers, who happen to be black, speaking out this morning on the radio about all the programmes being retrospectively removed from Netflix and the like now. One was asked about Little Britain and the black outfit Walliams wore whilst doing his naked american woman sketch. This woman said she found it offensive and it should be taken down. Now I happen to think Little Britain was generally crap myself and found very little funny about it. But, I also do not remember any great outpourings of disgust and the like at the time it was shown. I certainly do not remember this female comedian making an issue of it or even writing a letter of disgust to anyone. Suddenly though there is a bandwagon to jump on and sure enough there she is. I can't see the need for anyone to "black up" as they call it but if you are going to be offended then be offended at the time and not wait 10 years to become angry. She did not mention the posh white woman Walliams dressed up as and was sick everytime she made contact with an Asian and anything they had touched. Neither did she mention the characters saying very loudly "I'm a lady" when clearly they weren't but just wearing a dress whilst having a beard. Obviously selective dislike then. I have no time for anyone who just attaches themselves to a cause.
We are becoming a world of snowflakes, offended by the slightest thing. Kids are protected to a greater extent by parents (for good reason in many ways) and they are then passed on to woke teachers who ram their beliefs into the kids. At university, eminent speakers are denied a platform if they differ slightly from the approved line on LGBT rights, feminism, the environment, economics & business and race. Comedy should offend people, hopefully each of us in turn but the little darlings we are producing can't take it. They've never heard an opinion that differs from the norm.
SUPPORTERS VOW TO STOP REMOVAL OF BADEN-POWELL STATUE. An extraordinary row erupted yesterday over the fate of a statue of Lord Baden-Powell. founder of the Scouting movement, after it was targeted by anti-racism protesters. The life-size bronze, erected in 2008, overlooks Brownsea Island, Poole Harbour, where the military leader held his first experimental camp in 1907. It was included in a map of "problematical statues".published on a website called Topple the Racists, orchestrated by the Stop Trump Coalition in support of the Black Lives Matter movement. Fearful that the statue, situated just yards from the sea, would be targeted, Bournemouth,Christchurch and Poole Council decided it should be temporarily removed for its own protection. But as word spread, a crowd of residents and former Scouts gathered around the 5ft statue, vowing to protect it from "woke" politicians. Len Banister, 79, a Queens Scout Award recipient, raised his walking stick and declared : "If they want to knock this down, they'll have to knock me down first. The council said later that the "much loved" statue would not be immediately removed bur would have 24-hour security while discussions with contractors continued. Mark Howell, the council's deputy leader, said it was felt necessary to preserve the statue for future generations but insisted that if it was removed, it would be returned " as soon as the threat level subsided". Last night, Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Trust announced that statues of Sir Robert Clayton and Sir Thomas Guy outside its hospitals in London would also be taken out of public view, due to their association with the slave trade. Both figures appear on the Topple the Racists list. Clayton, a former lord mayor of London, had ties to the Royal African Company, which transported slaves. Guy invested in the South Sea Company, which was also involved in the trade. The Statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square and the Cenotaph on Whitehall were boarded up last night over fears they would be damaged by protesters. It came as several Conservative MP's warned against "playing into the hands" of those "trying to rewrite history". Ben Bradley, MP for Mansfield, said: "For those who still still think Black Lives Matter is solely an anti-racism campaign, know that their GoFundMe reaffirms their commitment to 'dismantle capitalism and state structures' as well as fighting against views on the political Right. It's a left-wing activist group." A Black Live Matter demonstration due to take place in London tomorrow has been called off over warnings it would be targeted by "hate groups". Last night, it was reported that the Justice Secretary had drawn up plans to fast-track prosecutions against protesters who assault police or cause criminal damage. Front page article...Daily Telegraph...Friday...12/06/2020. My thoughts....Black Lives Matter... must wake up to the fact that they are being taken over by activists who have a more left-wing agenda to disrupt society for the own benefit....they couldn't care two hoots about black peoples rights. ps.....Will we have to rename Whitehall because it might offend black people.....shall we call it Greyhall instead then it doesn't offend black or white....now if your surname is Black or White you've got some hard thinking to do...it is never ending.
Just what we need: more polarisation. We have enough of that from Brexit. How close is the US to a mini civil war? A moron in the White House and leftie northern liberals leading the charge against Confederate history?
It had to happen.....Fawlty Towers episode about....."I mentioned the war...but I think I got away with it"...has been mothballed for awhile. Dads Army will be next....especially...."Don't tell him your name Pike"... episode will be stuffed behind the cabinet for awhile as well.
John Cleese not impressed with the BBC....he says that they're more concerned about losing their . Alf Garnett will probably not be shown for awhile.
Road signs in Liverpool's Penny Lane were vandalised amid speculation it was named after a slave trader. Four signs on the road, immortalised by The Beatles song, were daubed with the word "racist". Joe Anderson, the Mayor of Liverpool, said there was no evidence the road was named after slave trader James Penney, and its name instead refers to a toll. Councillor Richard Kemp said the slave trader's surname was spelt Penney, "This lane has existed for more than 500 years, before Penney, before slavery, It has nothing to do with it," he said. Daily Telegraph...Friday...13/06/2020. My thoughts....Looks like an own goal here by those that say they support.."Black Lives matter"....the red mist blocked their vision of the truth (and spelling). Also.... Robert The Bruce statue vandalised....a racist King ? Maybe we need to erase England winning the World Cup in 1966.....because it was an all white team......and the Russian linesman was bias ? Vandalising the Cenotaph could cause real problems....maybe those that did it wanted that to happen.... under the umbrella of "Black Lives Matter" We need strong government at the moment....not made weak at the knees by that danger to our society...."Political correctness".
So the "Black Lives Matter" brigade by attacking statues have woken up extreme right wing groups who just love the chance of kicking the odd policeman and throwing bottles at them.....social distancing ....what a joke amongst this lot.
The Black Lives Matter brigade as you put haven't been attacking statues. They, in their innocence, allowed people from the Attack Statues brigade to join them in Bristol and this has all kicked off since but is nothing to do with them directly. They have been hijacked from both sides sadly. The pictures on the News today is sad to say the least. A load of fat bald men in sports shirts running amok in the name of England. Don't it make you proud. Given the number of deaths in this Country recently and the melt down there is to come you would think they might just do something constructive for their Country rather than use this as an excuse to kick a copper.
Black lives do matter and in the sense of being able to get good education and to be fairly considered for good jobs as well as merely not being murdered on the streets. The police and courts need to crack down hard on extremists on both wings but I fear many countries and international agencies are collapsing in a way we haven't seen since the first half if the 20th century. We know where that led: minorities being bundled into gas chambers.or to the gulags.
Even before Brexit the EU's population were heading for more nationalistic views and actions. When the global recession hits full on then just watch it take off then. But, don't worry England, Boris and his boys say it won't stop us leaving on time. Whew what a relief that is eh. I think yesterday was just a training exercise for the knuckle draggers in advance of the real thing. At least I'm already practised at not going out.
