OT: Why have the white british left London

queensland ...where have i been racist by????? show me please or is this just another ploy that Tories use when they dont like something that is true.. ...bedroom tax for you my lad. and pasty or any other pathetic tax this bunch of toffs can put on the working class......they want you to free up your bedrooms so you can fill them with immigrants.. god some are blind that they cant work out what these tory idiots are doing.........Oh and while all this is going on they award themselves a lovely tax break in april... Im no racist son but your an idiot....

 

Queens, I'm sorry but this particular response is a good example of what I tried to describe in Post #49 (above). Leaving aside any other beef with Gimme's contributions to this thread, in what way was his rant describing the particular situation of your niece? If anything it was mainly a (in my view misguided) rant against the Tory Party and, in part, against young women and immigrants that jump housing queues, or perhaps even displace others by doing so. I don't know whether this happens quite so blatantly as this, but your response clearly sets your niece apart from them, doesn't it? So I am unclear as to why you have taken umbrage in this particular instance.

 

I'm quite sure gimme was refering to girls who get pregnant just for the benefits.

 

Personally, and it's only my opinion, i haven't read anything that i could call 'Racist' in this thread..........It's been quite an interesting and well argued topic that could of descended into chaos but thankfully didn't

 

Remember where you heard it first, Swords. The only bit I would take issue with is the suggestion that Labour has somehow moved a little to the right. Don't be fooled by this: Blair's "I am the heir to Thatcher" was nothing more than a tactical manoeuvre to fool enough centre-right voters into thinking everything would be OK under New Labour. And it worked. This is why Cameron then used the "I am the heir to Blair" to attract centre-left voters, although this was less successful.

British politics is all about gaining power. There is little conviction from any side, and anyone showing the remotest principle is swiftly dealt with. The electorate is held in the utmost contempt.

 

I ask contributors one more time: why on earth do we think these are Tory policies and initiatives? They are not. They are left-wing policies and initiatives. This is not a right-wing administration by any stretch of the imagination. The programming of people's attitudes that began with the left-wing comedians of the 1980s, and has been perpetuated by the biased reporting of the BBC and the subliminal teaching methods in our classrooms has been successful beyond the wildest dreams of the likes of the late Roy Jenkins.

 

I never heard that to be honest mate. I just looked at Blair's Labour in comparison to the one of the 80's and early 90's and I did think it had moved into the centre in the sense that there was more emphasis placed on attracting inward investment and entrepreneurialism which meant comparatively low taxes on high earners/businesses as opposed to old school socialistic Labour where they wanted to tax the sh*t out of the rich. I could easily be wrong though mate because I was just looking on from afar via TV, newspapers etc and not living there.

Alas, isn't that the case everywhere old boy.

 

yea your right uber-hoop, I am a member of the labour party (not new labour old tory) party and Blair was nothing but a love child of thatcher, He fooled a lot of labour voters but some of us saw through his ploy. today people have come to realize what a fraud he was. I always remember the chairman of our branch writing to blair to as what was the point of adding the word new in front of labour party and now we know why, he is and never were a true labour supporter but a tory in labour disguise....I could not wait to see the back of him as he was worse than any tory and that is saying something....

 

They may adopt what may seem right-wing policies, but this is to maintain power. Their instincts remain left-wing, as evidenced by many of the inner Labour politburo's Marxist and Communist Party past. The same cannot be said of Cameron's cronies, despite their Etonian upbringings. Everybody likes to be a rich socialist these days.

 

Uber, you're clearly disaffected with the Con Party. You ever think of voting UKIP?

Is yer man Killroy Silks still running that outfit? Or is he dead?

 

Nope, still don't agree with you. Read what I said in Post #66. New Labour taxed in a way that Old Labour under (say) Wilson could only dream about. Another left-wing instinct is an enlarged state meddling in just about every walk of life. Big tick there, too.

 

UKIP is a great place for a protest vote. I would like to see the demise of all three major parties and a return to politicians that remain true to their principles. Yeah, it'll never happen but there's nothing wrong with being an idealist. Who wouldn't want to vote for a candidate that actually believes what he's saying and will carry out what he promises, whatever his leanings?

P.S. Kilroy Silk is a complete knob-end.

 

I agree but Imaz has not turned up yet

 

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I agree with Uber. A person can have concerns about immigration/multi culturalism etc without being a racist in any way. Sorry Queens, but you're simply proving Uber's point by accusing all and sundry of being racist, simply for voicing these concerns.
I haven't read any post on this thread as overtly racist tbh.
It is impossible to have a sensible debate on immigration because too many people shout "racist" as soon as it's mentioned.

 

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Immigration is a thorny topic ( alongside religion and anything else that most people have a strong opinion on ). I personally think that we do have too many recent immigrants here. I myself am mixed race, my dad is from trinidad and my mum is English with a German mother. (My gran was in hitler youth!! ) my wife is Swedish but her parents emigrated to Gothenburg in 1970 from Nigeria, so genetically she is African. We have a son who is therefore half Nigerian, one quarter trinidad , one eighth English and one eighth German. Got to say love the mix and that's the way it's going to be in the future.

Back to immigration, we can complain all we like, but unlike centuries ago, travel is more fluid, so of course in time all will get mixed. Does everyone like it? No. But that's progress I suppose.

 

Getting back to the OP the reason can be seen historically throughout areas of London. There are large communities from various countries in certain parts of London. It is natural that when families of other immigrants come to this country that they will want to settle close to those of their own community.

It has happened with our ex-pats in other countries such as Spain and Portugal so it is no surprise it happens here. It is not so much a case of whites moving out of London as elsewhere in London and around as the amount of housing gradually increases. Yes, some will have moved to the suburbs and will have been replaced by immigrants but the density of housing in the southeast and the transport links mean there isn't much of a loss, just relocating within easy reach.

Much of the new-build in London is being bought up by foreigners with wealth so they are contributing to our taxes etc.

Lastly, many of the so-called 'immigrants' are British, they were born here and are as British as any of us...

 

Just gonna go back and right a proper response, but I'll leave you with one of Imaz's posts from a while back..

I think its time for white people to sto telling black people how to deal with racism..just stop it..

Now, I'm not a massive fan of Imaz's posts and dont necc agree with what he says, but when he posted that, some months ago, it struck a chord!
I'm not saying that "white people" dont understand, just that they can not get the true feeling of a racist remark.
remember, I grew up in London in the 70 & 80's and i have had every racist remark imaginable thrown at me s i consider myself quite thick skinned. i used to happily go to Jimmy Jones, Roy Chuby Brown and Mike reid shows & laugh my arse off.

the fact that people cannot see the racist comments they have made, is the real problem. They mistake them for legitimate points of view!.

I'l go back and answer some questions now !!

 

Last orders please. This thread is becoming repetitious, i.e. boring.

Unless something new, relevant and respectful comes up from those apparently queuing to contribute, I intend to close it in about 30 minutes.