OT: Why have the white british left London

Can't track him down, I think he left the next day ;-)

 

Yes, Swords - the EU can go and fook themselves!

 

because the country is run by people with no balls, and I dont mean soccer balls

 

Which is it man? Immigration or not wanting any power at all to be held by Brussels?

 

With great respect mate...the facts according to who ??? The Mail ?? The BNP ?? 'Enry down the pub ??
I think the actual figures on immigration paint a different picture.........but don't let them get in the way of a good story

(This ain't meant as a pop at you hoops, just the way that i see it...and trust me.....i also believed the lies for a good while)

 

Who says that immigration is 'massively out of hand' mate ?


come on stains take a look around you mate....your not a tory are you????

 

Well out of order mate......You can call me many things...but NEVER a T***

 

A bit of both, Swords - our immigration policy (open arms to all, come and take our benefits and jobs) is far too relaxed and no that is not meant as a racist comment.

 

As I've said many times before on other threads, it is nigh on impossible to have a rational debate on subjects such as this without inflaming the sensibilities of other folk. In order to make certain points the contributor will often need to make generalisations that will inevitably invoke the ire of others for whom those generalisations do not apply. How often have we seen the very people that we do not wish to include in specific criticism or observation suddenly animated by those very comments, and yet those to whom the comments are directed remain mute on the subject, perhaps because they do not even recognise themselves in the piece?

[A good example of this occurs when the government (pretends to) act tough by announcing that certain benefits will become more stringently means tested. Should the benefits in question be (say) related to disability, we will quickly see the media full of severely disabled people protesting against the perceived and imminent reduction of their state handout. And yet the carefully chosen phrase here is 'means tested' - the very people mobilised to protest most vocally are the very people least likely to be affected by the measures. Of course, there will always be exceptions to this, but generally (there's that word again) this is the rule.]

And so it is with the subject of immigration. A conversation on immigration does not have to become a heated debate about racialism. There are legitimate concerns about multi-culturalism and mass, uncontrolled immigration of people about whom we know very little. There are legitimate concerns about the impact on communities and local services, on crime and social order, on the welfare state and the extent to which the silent majority were consulted over any of this.

These are not racialist concerns. They are legitimate, rational and intelligent concerns that deserve to be voiced, and those that seek to drown them out by the lazy, but convenient label of "racist" deserve contempt.

Yes, yes, yes there are many that are or make racialist statements that are unacceptable. But so many of us are all too ready to throw the accusation of racialism as it avoids having to address these legitimate concerns. But those throwing these accusations tend not to be those about whom these concerns are raised.

 

Fair point Stammy. An honest answer to be fair.

I've always struggled to understand why there's so much anti-Europe feeling in the UK. My reasoning was (and this will probably sound ridiculous and well wide of the mark) that a Country with a long history of Empire and one which wielded great power World-wide, might find it more difficult than small Countries like say Belgium or Ireland to accept other people from other Countries making decisions for them. Kind of like a post-Empire hangover or summat. That's just a theory of mine and like I said, shoot me down if I'm talking through my arse!

 

Driven out how? I passed through our great capital the other day and wasn't exactly met with scenes of toffs in bowler hats being pursued by eastern Europeans with pitch forks.

The "natives" can't find communities around or amongst those that have created their own communities from nothing?

This is a less valid argument than me bemoaning the influx of rich Londoners buying up property in Ipswich as weekend residences.

That's just decadence whereas the majority of immigration is about improving people's quality of life from a base level below ours.

I know a number of hard working and wonderful Polish folk who work hard and pay their taxes who I'm proud to call friends (more down to their character than employment status).

If our ideology is that Britain is great because we have a divine right to a better existence than those that originate from a place arbitrarily defined as geographically outside then count me out.

As Staines says, how long does it take before you can count yourself as resident? 5 years? 50? 500?

Personally, I very much doubt that I don't have some Norman/Saxon/Roman or some such heritage which makes me an nth generation guest.

How many purebred Angles are there taking umbrage as opposed to the rest of us tourists?

 

Always knew this was gonna go this way so let me finish with this.
A fewhas shown themselves to be openly racist..Diaswan as an example. Same people use the excuse that these "foreigners take our jobs etc..well get off your ****ing arse and go do some work then. Anyone who says there is no work, need only go to the job centre to find a job.
Excuses like, dont like the hours, not enough money & cant do that are bull!
I remember years agio it was the asian cumminity that were getting **** for taking "our" jobs, yet they opened shops all day, opened Sundays, worked past midday on a Wednesday (remember that?) and even opened on Christmas day. How many on this board can say that they haven't been down the "indian shop' late at night to get something they needed.
Fact is (as in Aus) the indigenous population are lazy; and thus; other people with a better work ethic have seen and taken opportunities that the "home" people could not and would not take.
I come up against it all the time out here. "All these imigrats are taking our jobs" etc. This from a nation that has a skills shortage AND unemployment!1 How does that work then.
Simple fact is Aussie are lazy and sadly, so are many (not all) brits. thats why other "imigrants take your jobs!. Dont abuse someone because they want to work...abuse the dole bludgers who dont want to work.

Aussie is alright, he just needed to be shown the error of his beliefs. Sadly its what most Aussies think, hence i said I'd never be an Australian.

As far as I'm concerned Diaswan should be banned for his openly racist posts.
Swords is just expressing his right to free speech
And I stilll welcome a debate on racism from anyone brave enough to post it who is of pure English / Irish whatever decent that has no ties to any other country or heritage. Think we may wait a long time for that to happen.!

Gimme- couple of posts you've made over the past week are starting to let you down. I enjoy reading your comments but you've changed you MO in the last couple of weeks. Not sure why but hope it sorts itself out.

Keep this open as long as you like Brix, Just would rather a deent debate on raciscm than some idiots making racist comments.

Again..I openly ask for you to ban Diaswan for his racist remarks!..over to you !!

 

there is a new rule the government are just about to bring out which will see people that have lived in their council houses for donkeys years being thrown out into smaller accomodation to make way for girls that keep having babies or people that are coming in the country, often illegally
****ing disgusting tory ****s

 

My niece has just graduated from Uni but is having a baby in 5 months,
She has 5 GCSE's gade A's and a degree in both sociology & health care.
She already has a job to go to and wants to start work..
Are you calling her disgusting then?

Your racist rants are full of ****. Stick to making witty comments you clown!

PS..you wil never pay a penny for her as me & my family will and have paid for everything for her.!

Next idiot to the slaughter please !

 

A very good post and its hard to disagree with anything you've written except for calling for bans mate. Come on bro, we don't need that.

Although he is a Swans fan so fire away Brix!!

Take it easy Andy. I'm surprised to hear people bashing the Tories for not being Conservative enough!

There can only be one of two reasons for this: (A) We have some very right wing people on this Board or (B) Uber was right a few weeks ago when he said that the whole political spectrum has veered to the left and the present day Tories are yesterday's Labour.

Which one is it?

 

Easy Queens, you're going to get this thread shut down mate.

 

Queens - I'm a HCA and work with Asians and have no problem with them (they are often better doctors/nurses/consultants than some White British people). I've seen 3 non-White British people leave due to them not being able to understand the job. Personally I don't think it is hard looking after people with Dementia.

My father's parents were Irish and he was born in Karachi, so what does that make me?

 

Why do you believe this to be a Tory initiative, Gimme? There is no Tory Party anymore. There is no daylight between the policies of all three main political parties. The increase in immigration that has taken place o Eric the past 15 years was largely instigated by the Labour Party. Andrew Neath, a former advisor to Blair, Straw and Blunkett has admitted that this was a quite deliberate policy by the party with the aim to (and I quote) "rub the Right's nose in diversity". Labour ensured that the debate remained centred on the economic benefits of mass immigration for fear of alienating its "core working class vote".

You may have a deep-rooted hatred of the Tory Party, Gimme, which is your prerogative, but please don't be fooled into thinking that they bear most responsibility for the issues that cause you most concern.

 

your right mate, I hate Labour as well

 

I agree with that 100%. And whilst Queens is one of my favourite posters on here and I respect him immensely, I think he's losing the plot here.

RE The Tory party Uber. I had just mentioned above that you had pointed that situation out a few weeks ago. I see where you're coming from with that to be fair. When you see a Tory PM trying to bring in gay marriage (something I'd wholeheartedly support btw), it does make you wonder if Conservatism has been snuffed out altogether. However, the opposite accusation has been laid at New Labour's door by the left, accusing them of moving to the right under Blair and Brown. I think that overall, the Tories have moved into the middle as have Labour and the Lib Dems are just a bit of a joke with that plank Clegg running them into the ground.

Is it any wonder that there's a rise in extremism on both sides?