OT: Why have the white british left London

Sorr mate.....despise racsism and racists & refuse to back down on the subject..

Racism = Ignorance & personality disorders.

Still getting my breath back now mate.

Ihave been known to make extra visits to reinforce this point over the years...as per secret.

if someone wants to open a factual open, calm racism debate, then i will contribute. up until the point as people start quoting Hitler and his memoirs!

over to you

Sorry...rant over !

 

got up your goat has it queen bee, i didn't say i agreed with him i was just stating the fact if they wanted them thrown out he could have done it.

 

Well said Q.

 

QLD makes an extremely valid point about human dynamics and migration. It's an age old fact of life whether it's generated by forceful invasion, international or local trade, discontent with our lot, changing economic, social or family circumstance or combinations of that lot. Times change as do places, technology, opportunities and therefore history.

Aussie, bless him, seems to have overlooked the realities of a very human condition which he himself has taken advantage of. People, white, black or otherwise, move about. He seems to want it both ways. Best of both worlds if you like. Solid, stable and reassuring in UK but adaptable in OZ as case in point.

With respect, wonder what him and the other ex-pats would be mumbling about if the boot was on the other foot and they happened to be Aborigine? 'Fings in Sydney, Brisbane etc. just ain't wot vey used ta be! Can't move for all the Brits, Irish, Yugoslaves, Greeks, Asians, Orientals etc. etc...'

The world's no rock Aussie, it's shifting sands over a furnace mate - for all of us.

Been in London for 5 decades now and times have indeed changed but the people haven't that much. Varying face shapes maybe, and skin colours, but as the accents assimilate, you get used to that after a while.

Having said that, maybe people should be crediting me for my steadfastness in keeping London what it was. In jumping ship, it's you emigrants, you flighty whites, that could be accused of changing things. Seems a bit odd therefore that I should be the one embracing change and you mumbling ex-pats lauding perceived tradition!

I blame our imperial past Aus but even that's gone now - but not without a cost though, is it? Bloody foreigners (never us!).



I'm gonna leave the thread open for a while, just to see if we can handle a debate on migration with the maturity it deserves. No need for anger or insult Queenslander, no one's attacking you or yours. Just trying to get our heads around change and our part in it.

 

When I put my tuppence in above, I was responding to the OP in which I interpreted it as a genuine potential debate about whether the BBC commentary on this perceived white flight from London could be applied to QPR and might reflect here was also a marked change seeing a dispersion of the core support away from the immediate area surrounding W12. Furthermore whether there was also a perceived change in the ethnicity of the core support of QPR now and also, which I did not comment on as it is potentially getting into sticky ground, was a comment I picked up on of whether it is only the traditional old school "white" support from the 60s-70s-80s that could have the passion and vocal presence following QPR that other supporters from other ethnic groups could bring. It was a genuine response to what was perceived as a genuine debate. I was not surprised however to find that within a few more posts a slanging match had started with accusations of racist views being thrown around. It is the same on most boards, but I was hoping on here that regardless of a subject people could contribute opinions on a subject in a dispassionate way as a discussion, not a row or as a means to be antagonistic. Shame really.

 

Combustible topic area I'm afraid 4S. Fair comment though. Think the demographics have changed far more on the pitch at Rangers than in the crowd tbh. Nothing like as many of us levi and DM wearing bone heads though! Not as much chanting either which IS a shame.

 

Queens, you make some top points mate but you're falling into that trap that is the worst thing on this Board IMO: Calling for threads to be closed.

This is exactly why I'd like to see a subsection created so these topics can be discussed, like this thread has done so far, without people claiming they have the right to shut off everyone else's discussion. I'm not having a go at you here Queens mate, I'm just highlighting what I believe to be one of the biggest blights on our Board.

We must encourage free speech and debate such as this, not stifle it.

 

to many foreigners is the problem and not whether they are black or white. we are all being bombarded not just london with too many foreign immigrants and its causing problems in the inner cities, the sooner we pull out of europe and stop this influx of over crowding our town and cities the better.....Im not a racist one bit but this government and the PC brigade in Brussels need to show some common sense and realize we are a small island and we are bursting to the seams and we cant take any more......two more countries are packing their bags as we speak ready and waiting until our boarders open up next month as they will have a right to be here....the mp's and tory boys will be ok though...not in my back yard....

 

the governments dont care as they can just do whats best for them and leave the country in a bigger mess by the time they lose their job.
Tony Blair and David Cameron dont give a shiny ****e about anyone who lives here

 

So would my father-in law who came over here in the 60's from the Island of Trinidad be classed as a immigrant or is he now classed by most as British ??

And are my 3 little munchkins (who look as white as me but officially on the census classed as 'mixed race') part of the problem due to the fact they are not 'white british' ??

This country is one big melting pot like it or not..........

 

I can understand that post to a point. Immigration has been a part of these Islands since time immemorial and by and large it has been very successful and has enhanced the place in every way. I do agree though that there has to be a cut off point. Its a real issue and when its not dealt with it creates a vacuum which is then filled by far-right groups such as the BNP and the EDL. They in turn just make the situation worse.

I'm not sure if leaving Europe is the answer to all your problems though mate. The British are very anti-Europe as a Nation but I'd be wary of pulling the plug if I were you. I believe that the EU has been a source of many good things (as well as some bad).

People saying that the "native" whites have been "driven out" is wrong IMO. How were they "driven out"? Did a load of foreigners march into their homes and drag them out? Of course not. They chose to leave. There's a difference. Remember, if you go back far enough, we're all immigrants of one form or another. We all originally came from Africa!
I understand your concerns DaiswanHuwsmate but be careful what you wish for.

 

stains...we are on about 2013 and not about the 1960's.....today immigration has got massively out of hand and its causing problems....Why do these people want to leave their own countries and move to a small country like ours????
We are a soft touch that's why and its forcing the quality of life of the average British subject down and that is not right....we are over crowded and cant afford to let anyone else in unless its through extreme cases....

 

I left London for health reasons, but if someone gave me the chance to move back I would. I'd guess they've moved out of London due to jobs, price increases and the inability to move during both rush hours.

 

From my experience lots of Londonders and white working class move out to the Home Counties, namely Kent, Surrey and Sussex, bigger homes for cheaper prices and a better standard of living. The inner city areas like Tower Hamlets are inhabited by working class Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities.

 

Who says that immigration is 'massively out of hand' mate ? The same media that in the 60's/70's/80's were saying the exact same thing about the Black/Asian/Chinese invaders who were coming over here to take our jobs and our houses. The problem is that stories like that stir up the trouble, cause people to agree and join with the 'right wing' and cause the immigrants themselves to be more insular.
It's been happening for years and will continue to be happen for years well after i am in my box.

My original point that i was making is that the 'White' and 'British' from the OP means nothing and that lines are very much blurred.

 

DL, don't forget the Poles, Romainians and Turks! Those are the people that are migrating into London at a rapid rate - thanks David Cameron!

 

Is that the reason the British are so anti-Europe? Immigration? Or is it more to do with the fact that y'all don't want any decisions to be taken outside the UK?

 

the facts are that it completely out of hand mate but if people say it is out of hand they will be accused of being racist which of course is complete bollocks

 

Who was it that said "If you are tired of London, you are tired of life"?...

 

Of course its out of hand but why was it allowed get out of hand in the first place?