Just to add to the point of bit's being included or excluded - yeah I agree, but there is a whole team working on it and the public have been invited to send video footage, personal encounters ect ect. Whoever makes a film would be guilty of this - but like I've already said I personally thing GG is a decent bloke, yeah he's made **** ups - but haven't we all? You too Saint - take care mate
I don't know why George has to be above reproach to do what he is doing and it not be wrong. It's about time someone had the stones to take this to the public, it's a risky and dangerous enterprise for sure. not because of Blair but because of who will be implicated alongside Blair. Can't slate the guy when many know themselves what Blair has done but just accept it as the way things are. he could go many different routes to make himself a fortune without even touching a subject such as this. he will make many enemies as a result. I don't care of the personal reasons for doing good if good is done does it matter why? if it has an impact does it matter why? I can't see Blair being touched by this. Henry Kissinger has warrants for his arrest in France and Spain for war crimes in Chile and he was swanning around Ireland recently, the police were contacted and they did nothing, in fact he got a police escort to the airport due to activists alerting the police says it all about the powerful contacts these people have making them almost untouchable. Things change though, and one would hope this would lead to the arrest of Blair in years to come if things do change politically. On 9\11 What makes me scoff at the unbelievers is that the US have been doing the exact same thing in other countries, bombings and killings to depose unfriendly rulers in countries they have an interest in yet when they carry out the exact same things on their own soil it becomes unbelievable suddenly. In south America the US administration is responsible for thousands of civilian deaths, attacks and bombings to achieve their political and strategic aims. The US have intentionally caused the deaths of now running at millions in the middle east through their actions yet it is somehow unthinkable that they can kill a few thousand of their own citizens to achieve their strategic aims. they do not serve the American people. The US intelligence services see Americans as much a threat or more than any Al Qaeda members Prism has shown that. The CIA have carried out bombing all over the middle east South America and Africa. imported tons of narcotics into the US, killed unlawfully anyone it considers a threat. The US intelligence community both federal and private will hunt down and destroy anyone who tries to reveal their wrongdoing. Snowden revealed illegal activity and he is the one being hunted. Obama has already murdered one US citizen with a drone when that individual had a right to trial, he was no direct threat to the US and was murdered because of affiliation. Obama has personally oversaw the murder of thousands of civilians through his Drone program and this is just recent history and he wins the ****ing Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing!!, which is a joke of an award, it's given to people who do a job they are well paid to do. The US intelligence military and government agencies are capable of ANYTHING to achieve their goals. All a convenient string of events. Rigged election to get Bush jnr into the presidency orchestrated by Dad. The grab of Oil in iraq and subsequent destabilisation the Saudis want. the attack on 9\11 which 1 provided the sign ups for the military which was needed to continue the military strategy. 2 provide the leverage to pass the laws that enable the government to do what they wish to the public and 3 go into any country they wish by just claiming they are evil. ^ is a very simplistic summary of what they have actually managed to achieve since 9\11 but really since the election was rigged to get bush jnr into office. 9\11 is tied to the Saudis Boston bombing is tied to the Saudis Bush Snr is up to his bollocks in it with the Saudis for decades All coincidence of course yeah? No The bombing at the Boston marathon. This guy has rucksack and then he does not have a rucksack, look who he actually is, a coincidence he's at the Boston marathon yeah? please log in to view this image hmm? please log in to view this image it seems he has a buddy with a similar rucksack please log in to view this image
I'm tired of all this! Galloway is no paragon of virtue and that's a fact. Blair may have made many mistakes but a war criminal he is not. Conspiracy theories abound about each and every event. Let's move on!
None of this narrative, including the VALID point of the sinister hand of the Saudis in the background, alters the fact that four planes were hijacked on 9/11, two flew into the WTC New York, the overwhelming majority of architects and engineers in world agree this. All the politics you state I agree with. Just not the mechanics of 9/11. And I hope you had the good grace to read the link I posted, as I have read and watched the various links you've sent me. I don't doubt your sincerity or intelligence feller, but I resent you implying that I don't believe this stuff because I'm lazy or complacent. I'm as passionately anti The Man as I was as a sweaty sixth-former (when I believed in the writings of Eric Von Danniken, ffs ) and like my late father I find myself getting more left-wing with age. I do accept that there are valid conspiracies in this world, especially connected to those with power and how they want to keep it. As said, this case too, except for the actual nonsense that highjacked planes didn't fly into those buildings. In fact, here's my conspiracy theory, based upon the moon-landings, for one, which is VERY X FILES. Look up the name Edgar Mitchell, he was the LMP on Apollo 14. He has sworn under testimony, and has continued to write articles and books, that all 24 men who travelled to the moon saw UFO's and were ordered not to say anything. In fact, he is adamant that Aldrin told him that a craft landed less than a mile away from them at Tranquillity and they were ordered not to even look at it, let alone photograph it. The almost paranoid silence of all the Apollo crews (and later Shuttle crews in high orbit) to talk about their experiences unless authorised by NASA and the NSA is, according to Mitchell, further evidence of a cover-up that US authorities are more than happy to let the gullible put down to some ludicrous nonsense that they didn't go at all. And THAT is the problem Sis; all this ****e confuses the issue, not focusses it. In all your indiscriminate finger-pointed the main issue re the Saudis and the exploitation and opportunism of Bush and Blair and their various agencies taking advantage of this tragedy is obscured by a cloud of laughable tripe regarding the hijacked planes and rigged up towers. Stick to your overall premise re shadowy powers (and how the Saudis were actually funding the training of the hijackers too) and you have a case. Anyway, sorry for hijacking this thread. I'll fly it into the United board - if the CIA haven't already rigged it with explosives.
I had removed part of the post, before I thought a reply had come given further reading as I don't agree with the actors part in the bombings and really doubt it for the most part. and
The 9/11 conspiracy theories are ridiculous & don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever, they're the work of cranks
My 2 pence worth (and Ive said it before in a thread I did on the anniversary of 9/11) is that I think its ludicrous to suggest that they killed their own and in such a barbaric way I absolutely dont believe it and Ive always found it a bit disrespectful to the poor victims and their families to suggest the goverment did it
Conspiracy or not, there are many questions about 9/11, deriving from quite alarming coincidences, which the US government mysteriously keep quiet about or offer very loose and inconsistent answers to. If I were involved in that days tragedy, or knew people who were, I would want to have answers as to what went on. I would certainly want to know why they only spent $15million on the 9/11 commission set up to finding the truth, one of the lowest costing commissions in recent history and 20 times less than the Saville inquiry (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100043917/why-did-the-saville-inquiry-cost-almost-twenty-times-the-911-commission/).Why did Bush refuse to give evidence under oath or to being filmed as part of that inquiry? Never mind the damn stupid questions as simple as why was there not a plane sized hole in the Pentagon after it had reportedly been hit by a plane , why was the lawn intact (ruling out the idea that part of the plane broke off on the ground before impact) and why was there only one engine found afterwards which incidentally, and according to Mercedes the manufacturer, didn't even belong to the category of plane which was supposed to have hit! I guess I'm on the fence, but my God there's alot of questions in every aspect of the 9/11 attacks.
A plane did hit the pentagon but it was not an airliner. There was also a massive secondary explosion that actually did most of the damage to the building, the plane hit the ground first then the pentagon, there was also a helicopter photographed over the pentagon prior to any official aircraft showing up, and there is also a copter photo'd at WTC, experts claim these would have been there to guide in the aircraft. There are many accounts of a fighter or second plane following the airliner that crashed too. Logic dictates that if this was a terrorist attacks there would not be all of these inconsistencies in official accounts. many witness accounts would not be at odds with the official account of the attack. What do we know to be true and proven, those are the things to focus on instead of wasting thought on unprovable aspects. WTC 7 was demolished. Engineers are certain that the building free fell. The speed of the fall was calculated. Experts state it was certainly not a collapse. We know the rubble was shipped out without anyone being allowed to examine it, this is not normal procedure in any context. Those experts, politicians and many other US citizens are calling for the truth of what happened that day. Those are facts no matter what other grey areas there are and those facts call into question everything else. it is also a fact that a NY state official gave accounts of absolute destruction of WTC 7s lobby and bodies everywhere, prior to the 2nd hit, long before people started jumping or any collapse, I was watching that day. it is also a fact that he died and there is no account of how he died or what happened. The above is enough for any person not conditioned to call anything conspiracy theory that has not been reported by the mainstream media because most people think they are not, yet on here I can see the trend and those people think because of logic that they believe it a theory, but, the truth is that if the mainstream media had now reported it a false flag they would then believe it was, hence conditioning without realisation of it. People on this forum cannot see they are conditioned to call anything not reported by the media or mainstream sources a conspiracy theory, job done by the five companies that own 85% of what we watch hear and read .
It's all over the sphincternet. Clinton's had hit man killing for them in the 70s and 80s, he's come out and said they ran drugs, Hillary eat more rug than bill and that their kid Chelsea ain't Bill's. he said they were sexual deviants. Now Bill as we know was swanning around the white house getting his dong polished. Fox news were going to interview a guy but canceled it when they learned he was gonna talk about this Larry Nichols. Nichols interview here, says Hillary is a dyke amongst other things, worth a listen too, radio interview, if for laughs if nothing else Tyson foods used to bring coke into the US and the Clinton's were running it. Clinton's brother was in a tangle with the law for trafficking drugs [video=youtube;NpakOBFa7LE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NpakOBFa7LE[/video] Clinton convicts list, Bill and Hilary's cohorts, a list of some quite nasty folks http://www.gargaro.com/clintonconvicts.html This is the sort of family that can reach the top of the political pile in the US
Or, conspiracy theories are developed after every incident and most people just thing "here we go again". Just to add to the discussion though, didn't American defence admit to having suspicions that were passed to the President prior to it happening? And he chose not to act at that time? Another question would be, why did it take them so long to get the planes out the sky and why were fighter planes/choppers not air born to "take care" of any unwilling pilots.
The only conspiracy theories I have come across of such a magnitude that have no weight are the Aliens ones. others take good logical theories of what really happened and go right over the top and muddle it, you have to wonder if this is done intentionally to water down the actual logical assumptions. As for suspicions, make no mistake, Al Qaeda were built by and worked for the US intelligence services. It is also a fact that the Ethopian president and intelligence told the US that Bin Laden was in Addis Ababa 2007-08 I think. The US did nothing. No attempt to apprehend the so called most wanted man in US history? Strange. Can you clarify the last question. Take so long to get which planes out of the sky? all commercial and private planes after the attacks?
Yes. I know they were quite quick after the second plane hit but if they had suspicions beforehand and then first plane hit, why not get them all out of the sky sooner? PS...I know little about all this TBH, I'm only discussing it as the board is dead
1 hr. Also did you see the list above of Clinton associates here it is again Below is an updated list of Clinton-related friends, colleagues, associates, and related business entities, who have been convicted of crimes, updated through April 14, 1998. Forty names, and counting. The format of the list is that the names are allocated to the various investigative categories, with each individual/entity named and accompanied by a brief description of the relevant crime(s) and a source of the information. VARIOUS ARKANSAS: 1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994) 2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction (Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994) 3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997) 4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions (Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996) WHITEWATER: 5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995) 6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998) 7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997) 8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996) 9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996) 10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996) 11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995) 14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996) 15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995) 16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996) 17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998) 18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998) 19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998) ESPY: 20) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and investigative costs (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997) 21) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 22) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery convictions and guilty pleas(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Lobbyist Pleads guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998) 23) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 24) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction; twenty-seven month prison sentence (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998) 25) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 26) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry Espy's campaign (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 28) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts) for fraud (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 29) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts relating to illegal campaign contributions to Henry Espy (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign finance head: ten count conviction (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997) 31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997) 32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997) CAMPAIGN FINANCE: 33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction (Los Angeles Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997) 34) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997) 35) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997) 36) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas (Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998) 37) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections (The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997, et. al.) CISNEROS: 38) Linda Jones: Henry Cisneros mistress; conspiracy, bank fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice federal felony guilty pleas; sentenced to three and one-half years in prison (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998) 39) Patsy Jo Wooten: Linda Jones sister; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998) 40) Allen Wooten: Linda Jones brother-in-law; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)
