OT - Sopa, wikileaks blackout, and dead kittens

Don't ever ever ever pirate anything on tinternet, those damned Yanks will haul you over to the US of A and **** your ass with prison guys - messy and hurtful. If you go into one of their prisons you have to belong to a "gang" or you're ****ed. Just be careful which gang you join.

 

RIAA, Universal Music, Warner Music Group, FBI and US Department of Justice websites all got hacked today.

 

I blame the Somalians, bloody pirates!

Didn't think US laws affected us over here, wasn't that what happened when Hicks & Gillette tried to sue Liverpool in a US court, didn't a British judge just tell them to do one, we don't recognise the US ruling or something?

 

The US will apparently use any ridiculous technicality to gain jurisdiction overseas.

This British kid: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-16544335 who simply owned a site that linked to other sites that host pirated files, is close to being extradited for punishment and imprisonment in the US despite that his site did not host illegal files, it was not hosted in the US nor is he even remotely a US citizen. The UK government are fine to bend over and take it despite both Conservative and Lib Dem parties saying that they'd be working on preventing something like this from happening after similar cases in the past.

The US are nabbing this kid on the flimsy outlet that the ".com" suffix was originally US administered. If they're going to target sites that simply link to other places that host pirated files, then sayonara Google surely right? Hell no, because Google have their corporate finger in Washington and are thus pretty much immune.

Overall stuff like the act against this kid and the removal of MegaUpload is basically like trying to stop a tap running with one finger; it's not going to stop anything really and its just going to make a mess and piss everybody off. But the idea behind the SOPA bill opens the doors to a whole new can of worms, where the US government would no doubt use more weak technicalities to **** all over sites who host anything at all that they did not create themselves.

 

Quick question. I know this ruling is to stop piracy etc but do they have jurisdiction over streaming too? I would hate to be hauled in just after a Shola scremer.....

 

yes, this would be most effected

 

I can't guarantee the latter part of your sentence will ever happen. But yeah, unofficial streams of TV channels are included in this.

 

Surely it would only be illegal if it the stream was using an American TV station. Not that it makes it any better, because there would be no more Ray Hudson

 

It would make no difference, it'd get pulled. Besides that, NewsCorp owns 40% of BSkyB and ESPN is a US company too so that's a definite up yours to sports streaming.

 

It's a good job that support for the bill is slowly being pulled then

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Yeah but as the US Government have shown with the pulling of MegaUpload/Megavideo, they don't need any bill to do whatever the hell they want.

 

Yeah but thats more of an extreme case in that illegal content is stored so is accessible 24/7, whereas streams are live content which will continually change. Plus the Americans got lucky in that the countries involved with Megavideo were willing to co-operate, which not every country will do.

Plus it is rumoured that Megavideo was only pulled so the likes of anomynous would retaliate with DDoS attacks, in the hope that it would ressurect support for SOPA/PIPA.

 

Well of course it was. It was obviously no coincidence that they chose this exact moment to pull down one of the most popular file sharing sites on the web. It was an enormous middle finger to everybody who thought that a success in stopping SOPA meant the government couldn't censor and remove anything it wants.

Rebroadcasting live content has been illegal since the days of radio, so yeah streams are definitely not legal at all. Even if there was a loophole that made them perfectly legal do you really think the US Government - who have casually arrested people on no legal basis at all because of their online operations - would not find a way to do it anyway?

 

That's a tad hard to believe. It's just rustled up more backing and embarrassed the sites that were DDoS'd.

People are just getting more and more determined since Anonymous retaliated as it's a symbol of "the war" starting.

 

I agree that it's pretty far fetched to say that it was done to resurrect support for SOPA, but it was clearly done to stamp authority.

 

I'm not saying they are legal. All I am saying is if SOPA/PIPA don't pass then streams will be less affected than the likes of Megavideo, as the major reasons SOPA/PIPA exist is music and movie pirating. Obviously sites such as Justin and Ustream would be targetted even without SOPA/PIPA due to the large amount of traffic each site gets (although both are moderated quite alot nowadays). But smaller sites are likely to go without action, if not unnoticed, providing they are not US based.

 

Disagree. The point is that this is a clampdown due to corporate pressure and as I said, they've purposefully proven with the removal of Megavideo that they can and will do it if they please. Regardless of whether or not illegal streaming of TV channels was incorporated into those bills it will still be on the hitlist.

 

This to the mother ****ing max.

 

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Also, megaupload going down most likely has nothing to do with SOPA, it's a .com after all.