(OT) Scroat gets man-handled by a big lad.

I think many people are missing the point of why such a fuss has been kicked up about this situation. Firstly technically it probably would be some low level battery not assault, hardly worth going to court over..

The issue is whether I suppose is it now socially right intervene with crime, no doubt 40/50 years a go the answer would have been a big yes.
There is the argument that train prices are too high to begin with, but thats another matter..

I generally feel now that the state is trying to take to much control, it is accepted amongst many legal philosophers that a minimal state is the best kind of state, surely we as free human beings can deal with these situations ourselves instead of calling the nanny state all the time...

The guy obviously hadn't paid, other wise he would have produced a ticket when everything had kicked off, and it looked like they had all been there a while as the train had to stop. He got chucked out early and had a little scratch, bo hoo, action's have consequences, sometimes you win some, sometimes you lose some, but if you get caught and don't leave with dignity, expect to get thrown off the train.

 

[video=youtube;RpTlJvcJB80]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpTlJvcJB80[/video]

 

Sorry but I disagree. There are 3 factors here; the responsibility of the kid, responsibility of the train company and the actions of the passanger.

Kid - he didn't have a valid ticket (or couldn't find it) and so should have taken the situation on the chin and left the train when asked. He was socially irresponsible and he had no right to abuse the conductor.

Train Company - they have a responsibility to keep the trains running on time and to not endanger the public. By the conductors actions the departure was delayed and the situation could have become inflamed causing risk of danger to other passengers.

Passenger - he did what he thought was right and with minimal force. No blame to him but he shouldn't have been needed.

The kid and conductor are both in the wrong for different reasons. If either or both had acted or done their jobs better there would not have been an incident.

 

What if he had paid?
what if he hadn't and froze to death?

 

I can't believe I missed this first time round!

 

Where was his ticket then?
He didn't and that is making a farce of the discussion. He wasn't thrown out into a blizzard in the middle of nowhere.

 

I think a lot of people have missed an important point here:

The word 'scrote' has been spelt wrong in the OP.

To the point of the thread: the hysterical "do-gooders" going on about how this is assault are a scourge on society. It's not ****ing assault. Assault is having your head kicked in, he's had his shirt ruffled and been shown up in public and he brought the whole thing on himself. The bloke didn't use excessive force and if the lad didn't want to be touched he should've just got off the train when asked, or did what I did when I was a lad and give the name and address of someone he disliked for the fine to go to.

 

I can see what your saying but, in what way could the conductor have acted better?

A stalemate was reached the boy wouldn’t (probably couldn’t) pay for the ticket and refused to leave, the conductor couldn’t let him away with it or face sack or some sort of discipline. The train was stopped and now everyone is inconvenienced because of one individual.

A third party had to come in to solve the problem either way or they would be there all night, in this case a fellow citizen decided to help everyone out and removed him from the train, I don’t see what the fuss is..

If a policeman had done the same thing no one would complain, why just because it’s his job, so should we not bin rubbish now as that’s the cleaner’s jobs!

The issue is here that the same outcome was reached whether the police did it or not, why complain, because someone in a florescent uniform didn’t do it? this is just looking to complain for the sake of it

 

I have slightly changed my stance and feel this reply is so level headed I'm wondering how such an intelligent man comes to our forum with such humility..............only joshing. Great reply

 

I might be missing something here, but the conductor wouldn't have had the train stopped, whenever I've been on one they usually check tickets while it's on the move, rather than checking everyone has a valid ticket before giving the all clear to the driver.

 

The conductor should have pointed out to him that if he doesn't leave the train the train would resume its journey but that traffic police would be waiting at the next stop and that he would face charges as a result.

If the kid insists on staying on the train the conductor radios through the info and continues with his job, checking the other passengers tickets.

Good chance that any confrontation is delayed until suitably trained officials are there to deal with it. Plus the train gets going again.

 

The word 'scrote' has been spelt wrong in the OP. ..............2 spellings of word
ings mate!

Urban Dictionary: scroat
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scroat
You will never see a scroat on their own, hey always are in gangs, usually hanging around wasting their lives outside shops, on street corners and other public ...

 

Can't beat common sense!

 

Aw shucks

 

See this for me isn't common sense. Surely the common sense thing to do, is to just kick him off then carry on the journey.

That would deter people, if they think there is a risk that they could end up at some random station, miles away from where they want to be, they may think twice about jibbing a train.

As someone said earlier people just give fake names and address's and it never gets resolved.

 

Somebody said that a longer version of the vid confirms that the conductor stopped or delayed the train in order to get the kid off the train. I'm taking that on face value.

 

The guy had payed he had a ticket! He ha shown it as proof

 

Sack the conductor
Jail the bigman
and buy the kid a nice new pair of rollerblades

 

He had a ticket, but it didn't permit him to travel as far as the destination that he had, thus it was invalid.

 

The poor lad only wanted a free train ride and instead he was subject to foul bullying from the jobsworth conductor and was physically assaulted by some nosy bastard. I think a short jail sentence should be served by the 'big man' and the conductor and some form of compensation given to the helpless child, maybe a railcard for life?










Nah, the little **** got what he deserved. He knew the risks of not buying a ticket or as he claims, throwing away his ticket prior to actually getting on the train ("no sir, he walked into my knife, honest"). In my younger days I hopped a fair or two but I was prepared to face the music if I was caught. He was acting like a little arsehole and the other bloke helped the conductor do what he should be allowed to do.