(OT) Scroat gets man-handled by a big lad.

For me, a big give away is the fact that the people on the carriage clapped the big guy for doing it. That tells me that the kid was acting like a twat. For me, I agree with what he did however it is assault. I just hope common sense prevails here and nothing happens to him legally.

 

Most of us are British here. We are clearly going to ignore common sense just to moan about it and bitch about 'broken Britain' and 'the awful thuggish youth of today'

 

Hear hear

 

I'm pretty sure that is the procudure. If the passenger refuses to leave that is.

Passengers dealing with it risks enflaming the situation. The kid was in the wrong and probably acting up but it shouldn't have been necessary for the guy to get involved.

 

People applauded because they have the same kind of thought process you do, and because the train was able to get moving again so they could get to their destination. And now you're going to base your argument on speculating as to what happened outside of what we can see?

The conductor didn't help the situation at all, you can't just throw someone out of a train onto the tracks outside in the middle of nowhere, and he shouldn't have accepted that guy getting involved. He exacerbated the situation by having the train stopped and made the situation more explosive. I'm not saying the kid was in the right, but he would have been detained by police at the next stop, minimum of fuss, and everyone would have got to their destination in good time.

It's not like that at all, that kid retaliated because he was being physically assaulted by the other one and bullied constantly over a long period of time, and good on him. This kid wasn't doing anything, from what we can see he was not aggressive in any way, a little bit of verbals but his body language certainly didn't imply that he was going to try to assault anybody.

 

yeah good point! Reminds me of when David Cameron said he wasn't interested in thinking about the underlying causes of the riots in England last year and the only thing he was concerned with was punishment. Bravo Mr Prime Minister; you don't need a shower, just add more deoderant.

 

I actually really like that phrase.

 

In that case obviously there's some miserable training involved. The train is stationary and the inspector keeps arguing with the kid, when he should have just had the doors shut and told him to sit tight and wait to get arrested at the next stop.

 

it just seemed to emerge as I was typing, seems pretty fitting though.

 

The train company are investigating so i'm sure they will get to the bottom of it. As we have both said the conductor should have diffused the situation and arranged for police at the next station.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16143909

 

Pretty much what we are told to do with shoplifters (minus the stations and trains obv). Confront and try and diffuse the situation but do not get physical as it endangers other people. Arrange for the police to come and get a good description of the shoplifter. Much better ways to do things rather than just launching him out of the train/shop.

 

I do this for a living and don't think that there would be any basis for criminal proceedings or a law suit.

The lad (scraot being a loaded term) was on private property with no legal entitlement to be there. He had been asked to leave. He didn't. He at that point was a trespasser.

The owner of he property or his agent (in this case the conductor) was entitled to use all reasonable force to eject him. The Big lad offered his services to the conductor, who accepted them. The big lad used no more than the necessary force to expel the trespasser: he didn't thump him or give him a shoeing.

All the way the common law of England says things should be done, though many people (including the police sometimes) no longer know/beleive it.

 

So how does this compare?[video=youtube;dtEvHerG_5o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtEvHerG_5o&feature=related[/video]

 

Big lad? He just looked like a tubby pisshead to me, more chubby guy than anything

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the guy shouldn't have got involved.

 

So a hundred people suffer whilst the lad sits and refuses to leave. Great. Nice to treat him with kid gloves. Imagine if you had something important you couldn't miss . Would you be such a do-gooder? I'm not sure. The longer version of this video has the conductor saying "this train is going nowhere till you either pay or get off".

So all the talk today on the post of leaving him on the train till the next stop was a non-starter.

 

Why? This clearly proves that either the conductor is a moron or the train line have a stupid policy that needs changing.

 

Then the conducter wasn't following procedure or he was and the procedure was wrong. If the policy of the train company is to forceably evict then they need to employ conductors capable of doing so and not rely on other passengers to do it.

The kid was in the wrong but the conductor dealt with it badly. The passenger should not have needed to become involved.

 

I got thrown off a train once (and a 20 quid fine) for not buying a ticket.. I missed my bus and didn't have a phone, money or keys what could I do?!

 

But I thought that was procedure, to have police waiting for them at the next stop. I don't know what the conductor was thinking, it's him that's made the train late if he's the one who's decided to stop it.

Where did he actually get kicked off? You can't just boot a person out of a train onto the tracks in the middle of butt **** nowhere, this isn't the wild west. He's saying 'fine we'll sit here all night', surely a more proactive thing to do is keep the train going or call the coppers asap to come to meet him - there if they were at a proper stop or at the next one if they weren't - then charge him retrospectively. All the conductor succeeded in doing having the train stop was inflaming the situation by getting all the passengers pissed off and the train itself late.