Of course you are Col, but if a single idiot believes it and thinks they will be rewarded for bombing a school bus unfortunately we are better off trying to understand it.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, Flyster, but what you'd support here is a system whereby murderers, such as those discussed on this thread, are given a life sentence rather than the death penalty, but having applied this sentence you'd then be happy for the inmates to exact whatever additional punishments they felt appropriate? Would you provide protection for the inmates or not? If not, or at least not totally secure, how is this morally better than the death penalty? What if your archetypal innocent man, naturally fitted up by the rozzers, was thrown into such an environment? What then? Huh? Huh?
No, this is a very special case where there can be zero doubt of guilt. Everyone should be protected but I'm not going to feel bad if anything happens to them and only them. Not other convicts who could be innocent.
I know it is, Stan. But it has been suggested that the death sentence is somehow indefensible on account of (1) the risk that a fitted up innocent may go to the gallows, (2) that those calling for it are suffering from some knee-jerk, Daily Mail-led bloodlust, and (3) that a full life sentence is an even more severe and appropriate outcome than execution, but here's one of the chief protagonists advocating something far more barbaric.
So if you're satisfied that the subject is guilty you don't care what happens to him. But if somebody else is the final arbiter a mistake could be made?
That was touched on earlier in the thread Ubes. Its generally considered by everyone, not least the juries themselves, that life in prison for child killers and time in prison for child molesters is a tough sentence considering the "hard time" they'd receive on the inside. Unofficial and all as that may be, it no doubt also has a bearing on the Judge when deciding the severity of a sentence. If that expected harshness in prison disappears, as it might do following the case in the OP, then other measures may end up being taken into account when determining an appropriate punishment. It will be interesting to see if, following on from this case, prison terms increase in such cases (or in the case of a lifer, if things such as extra solitary confinement are considered) in order to make up the difference so to speak. Watch this space.
I know it was, Travis, but please forgive me, but I don't see the relevance to the point I'm making here. If you're opposed to the death penalty for the reasons Flyer has articulated previously on this thread - reasons that I respect and understand, though don't personally agree with - I am somewhat surprised that he could suddenly rejoice in inmates taking the law into their own hands. Don't get me wrong, I'd shed no tears if this was the case, but I happen to think that swift execution after a fair trial is more...erm, civilised than this alternative system.
Flyer's scenario is stupid. He's just hacked off at the system because a Judge gave him 100 hours community service for stealing his neighbours panties off the line. No, what he's saying is what an adolescent boy would say after watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. What I'm saying is that if it is a fact of life that these criminals get a rough ride of it on the inside, then a life sentence may well be a worse punishment than death. What I mean by a rough ride is not what that clown is talking about, rather the constant threat of violence meaning that the child killer would never be able to relax, make friends or have any kind of half-decent existence inside. I thought that's the way it was up until I read the OP.
"We have made the Quran easy to understand, but is there anyone who would pay attention?"(Quran 54:17)
I've already said its a unique case where there is no doubt they did it and and its not happening to an innocent person. I'd support killing someone if they were caught in the act of killing someone. You are trying to apply an opinion of 0.0001% of murder cases to all of them.
That swift justice will be great. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...a-newyork-conviction-20140408,0,6412267.story Man cleared after spending 25 years in prison.
Were in a no lose situation, either you and/or Fulham are going down, the loser of the meeting this sat is down for sure.
