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OT - Michael Schumacher, ex-F1 champion, critical after ski fall

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  1. Flyer

    Flyer Well-Known Member

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    That just proves I have good taste in sportsmen! Especially football managers.

    kimi makes me laugh, especially when he was asked where he'd been on the grid and just dryly replied that "I went for a ****".

    To be fair, it was a bloody stupid question.
     
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  2. Kilburn

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    I entirely echo those sentiments and wish him well for a speedy recovery.

    I have followed F1 motor racing for many years, back to the era of Graham Hill & Jim Clark, and recall his intense rivalries with Damon Hill & Jacques Villeneuve, both sons of F1 greats.

    Racing incidents with both those drivers, described below, are in Michael's DNA (like Suarez biting people), and highlight his extreme will to win, at all costs, to the detriment of rivals. Hopefully that same attitude will see him through this crisis.

    I feel the same way about Vettel - I appreciate his fantastic driving skills, but don't particularly care for him as a person.

    1994
    "Neither Hill nor Schumacher finished the season-closing Australian Grand Prix, after a controversial collision which gave the title to Schumacher. Schumacher ran off the track hitting the wall with the right-hand side of his Benetton while leading. Coming into the sixth corner Hill moved to pass the Benetton and the two collided, breaking the Williams' front left suspension wishbone, and forcing both drivers' retirement from the race. BBC Formula One commentator Murray Walker, a great fan and friend of Hill, has often maintained that Schumacher did not cause the crash intentionally. WilliamsF1 co-owner Patrick Head feels differently. In 2006 he said that at the time of the incident "Williams were already 100% certain that Michael was guilty of foul play" but did not protest Schumacher's title because the team was still dealing with the death of Ayrton Senna. In 2007, Hill explicitly accused Schumacher of causing the collision deliberately."

    1997
    "The title was decided at the final round in Jerez. Villeneuve came out on top and won the World Championship in only his second season, but the race was remembered for a collision between himself and title rival Schumacher. As Villeneuve passed Schumacher at the Dry–Sac corner during the 48th lap, the German turned into the Canadian's car; leaving Villeneuve with a damaged sidepod. Villeneuve recovered however and took third place and the title while Schumacher retired and was disqualified from the Championship."
     
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  3. Flyer

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    Schumacher has all the records but he will never be the greatest, like vettel, he would only race if he had a lapdog as a team mate to serve his every whim.

    Vettel will never go up against Hamilton or Alonso in the same car because he knows he will probably be beaten.
     
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  4. Busy Being Headhunted

    Busy Being Headhunted Well-Known Member

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    I like him, great personality :emoticon-0113-sleep
     
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    "Leave me alone. I know what im doing!" :smiley-finger007::smiley-finger007::smiley-finger007:
     
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    I hope he recovers but will always be a cheat in my opinion
     
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    If he survives this he will never be the same again, this is major, major stuff. Whatever you think of him what he achieved is outstanding - turned a joke Ferrari team into an invincible force, which suddenly wasn't invincible when he (and Brawn to be fair) left.

    We will never know who is the 'best' driver in F1, precisely because the sport is as much about engineering as driving, its not (in my view) meant to be driver vs driver, its team vs team. If you want to see driver vs driver try Nascar or IndyCar.

    Good luck Schumi.
     
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  8. Flyer

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    He is also a prick who run other drivers off the track.
    Schumacher would do that but he gave $10m to the tsunami relief fund so while he may have been an idiot on the track, he doesn't seem like one off it.

    He was skiing between pistes, the gap was only 20m and he cracked his helmet open on a rock. That helmet has at least given him a chance.
     
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  9. Queenslander!!

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    really ? from my memory of the 3 valley most of it is above the tree line and "between pistes" doesnt really exist. They tend to merge into one another (esp Val thorens-same resort)

    Im sure there are rock clusters that must be accesable but I for the life of me cannot figure out where he was skiing?
    May be an little more to it than that. Like I say, ive been skiing for nearly 30years now & never once worn a helmet. id imagine with his lifestyle/ drive and desire for speed and thrills, he'd be seriously going some. how fast do you need to be going to get a head injury with a crash helmet on anyway?
     
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    Not fast all queens just got to unlucky with the angle of impact. I have seen people who survived falling from a second floor window with nothing but bruising yet a person fall from standing height died of massive cerebral haemotoma. Luck is either with you or not.
     
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    Yeah you are right of course.
    I only did 2 full seasons and barely saw any injuries at all. A couple of broken bones but even that was mainly due to the skier rather than the mountain.

    I'd assume with MS lifestyle he'd probably be quite an accomplished skier.

    Bad news really as skiing is by far my favourite sport and nowhere near a dangerous as its made out to be.

    Here's to hoping he makes a good recovery.
     
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    Funnily enough my brother had an accident on a skiing holiday where he did his knee ligaments in and that was after doing a day of skiing. He was taking his boot off and fell...

    Skiing is dangerous if you take risks and dont ski within your level of capability, same with any sporting activity.
     
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    His head hit a rock which split open his helmet, unlucky when it was only 20m between pistes but thats what you get for taking short cuts.
     
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    I've seen where he fell on a map now Queens, and I think 'off piste' give the wrong impression - its just not a formal part of the piste, looks like a shortcut between runs that dozens of people would take everyday. I'm sure my wife and kids have taken it a few times (they are very good, very safe skiers) and even I (totally crap, given up now my knees can't take it) may have done it a couple of times. But apparently he was going pretty fast, up to 60 mph.

    Just shows that anything can happen.
     
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    Sonny Bono died on January 5, 1998, of injuries sustained when he hit a tree while skiing on the Nevada side of Heavenly Ski Resort near South Lake Tahoe, California. His death came just a little less than a week after Michael Kennedy, a son of Robert F. Kennedy, died in a similar skiing accident in Aspen,
     
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  16. Flyer

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    There was also a world class slalom skier who got paralysed skiing slowly not in competition. To me there seems to be way too much out of the skiiers control and too much down to luck.

    A bit like cycling on the roads. you can be the worlds best cyclist and it just takes one idiot to be too interested in texting to kill you.
     
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  17. Queenslander!!

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    I'll quite rightly assume that due to that comment, you have never skied then eh.

    as for the second comment, maybe we should stop crossing the road too?

    Skiing is like any other sport. It requires practice and lessons. proffesional skiers are just as accomplished at thier sport as footballers, tennis pro's and even Ice hockey players.

    I'm sure I've seen terrible injuries in all of those sports bth at proffessional and amateur level?

    Bit of a silly comment mate <ok>
     
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  18. Sooperhoop

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    It was an accident, it can happen to anyone. Skiing is no more dangerous than any other sport which involves moving at speed if you have been trained and follow the safe practises...
     
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  19. Flyer

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    Snowboarding is the most dangerous activity (after boxing which most of us arent likely to do), ice hockey comes next and then its skiing so yeah, it is more dangerous than other sports. Injuries are likely to be worse to, torn up knees or head/back injuries rather than strains or sprains.

    "Using this method, boxing ranks first with 5.2 injuries per 1,000 exposures, followed by American football (3.8), snowboarding (3.8), ice hockey (3.7), Alpine skiing (3.0), soccer (2.4), softball (2.2) and basketball (1.9)."

    The last 3 are likely to be minor muscle injuries while the winter sports and boxing are going to be more devastating.
     
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  20. Queenslander!!

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    Mate, you have obviously never skiied, so this conversation is a waste of time.

    You are just going to give us your own interpretation of some very dodgy stats from god know where.

    as for the seriousness of injuries...really?

    Id say crossing the road is likely to be the most dangerous thing most of us will ever do...

    Cant be bothered discussing stats with someone who has no knowledge of the sport. i know nothing about Ice hockey and as such dont pretend to or comment on it. I'd suggest you do the same with skiing.

    I do enjoy watching Ice hockey every now and again btw, i just dont understand the rules<ok>
     
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