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OT - Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane flying to Beijing

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  1. Flyer

    Flyer Well-Known Member

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    Also, rolls Royce can track all their engines independently, this can't be turned off.

    Why haven't they come forward with exactly where the plane went?

    Just another thing that doesn't add up

    Another thing, your think after sept 11th there wouldn't be a way to totally disable all tracking devices from the cockpit, thats a huge security failure if they can do that.
     
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  2. Staines R's

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    I havn't got a clue Beth. I know nothing about aircaft to be honest other than the bags they carry...........
     
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  3. Flyer

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    Simple, everyone was dead then. Overcome by fumes from a fire. The phones were ringing ( we know this from relatives) but no one was alive to answer them.
     
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  4. brb

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    That's not technically correct. Relative's will assume the phone's are ringing because of it going through the network. It does not mean that the network made connection with the personal devices.
     
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  5. Flyer

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    I thought they didn't ring and went straight to voicemail if the phone was unreachable. At least thats the experience I've had every time.
     
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  6. Rollercoaster Ranger

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    I don't believe that for one second. They would have communicated that to the flight controllers

    Perishables are flown all the time, fruit doesn't generally last very well on ships
     
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  7. Rollercoaster Ranger

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    Indeed. Mobile phone don't work at higher than somewhere around the 30th floor of a tall building. The Shard (as an example) has it's own mast in the centre of the building which carries the signals (and makes a few pence per call for the owners). For a mobile to work on an in-flight plane, the planes own communication system must be transmitting the signals and therefore these could be turned off as easily as the rest of the comms.
     
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  8. WBA2_QPR3

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    From what I understand RR receives basic telemetry from the engines ie. exhaust temps and the like but it doesn't provide a gps location for the data message.

    Essentially RR gets a message from engine xyz saying 'all ok' it doesn't say 'I'm currently in this location and all is ok'
     
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  9. brb

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    That's correct. I have flown many times on transatlantic airlines including a 777 and have been told that the airline makes more money from the cargo than it does the onboard passengers.
     
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  10. WBA2_QPR3

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    One of the theories I've read is that the reason the plane went to 42,000ft - which I understand is above its normal operating ceiling - is so that whoever was at the controls could depressurize the passenger compartment meaning at that altitude death by hypoxia would have been very swift
     
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  11. brb

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    Basically how long can you hold your breath...bearing also in mind you may not have been aware or prepared for any possible depressurization. Seconds of pure panic.
     
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  12. WBA2_QPR3

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    Possibly so BRB but also remember this was circa 1am, many passengers may have been dozing / asleep by then. They wouldn't have noticed

    All very sad.
     
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  13. Kampala Hoop

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    I think people are looking into many aspects of this far too deeply which of course is only natural when you don't have any answers, we want there to be something bigger than the obvious which 99.999% of the time is the most likely outcome. Some sort of catastrophic failure leading to systems blackouts and depressurization of the cabin seems the most likely scenario, which would allow the plane to fly on that southern arc until it ran out of fuel and sadly crashed while everyone on board had been knocked out from the lack of oxygen or a fire.

    I dont think a climb to 45,000ft is something to deliberately harm the passengers, if you depressurized the cabin at 35,000 ft it would have almost exactly the same effect. If you teleported to the summit of Everest now at 29,000ft you would have 2 minutes at most before you lost consciousness, now put yourself on a plane, at night, higher than that, there isnt much you couldnt do in that time that you couldn't at 45,000, its not instant death but its a minute or so tops. It would not be a significant certain method of disabling a cabin instantly.

    The oxygen masks would come down if the system had not been corrupted which is about 7-12 minutes of additional oxygen as well, which again makes it quite a bold move to attempt considering the passengers would have 12 minutes to panic.

    It is also not possible to depressurize the cabin and not the cockpit and while the pilots have bottle oxygen, they would need full pressure suits to continue flying at even close to 30,000, let alone 45,000, even 20,000 would be nigh on impossible without acclimbatisation.

    So a simple theory would be some sort of depressurization event on the course of the flight caused by events unknown to the pilots that had already knocked out communication tools. If it indeed became known to the pilots they may have deliberately shut off communications with the ground (not unprecedented, i think there was a recent engine blow out on an A380 where the Qantas pilots asked the ground to stay silent while they figured it out so they could concentrate) or become overcome by hypoxia where decision making is massively compromised (look again at most deaths on everest due to people removing their coats, gloves etc). While in this confused state a directional change is made fairly sensibly using the onboard computer as you would in flight, then as confusion sets in the pilot climbs instead of falls, then corrects this but is then knocked out and the plane flies south until it runs out of fuel.

    Mobile phones were either out of range, or, like the pilots, the passengers either didnt have time (explosive decompression, the last thing you would be doing is reaching for your cell phone) or through hypoxia it just wasnt possible. I forgot how to tie my shoes at about 6,000m (20,000ft) so how i would send a text or make a call at 35,000 ft is beyond me.

    Sadly, this is what i think most likely happened
     
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  14. danishqp

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    Sorry here Roller but you have heard of the Reefer container? Perishables aretransported much greater distance and with great precision for dates. If all your produce was flown you'd be a tad upset at your weekly grocery bill,
    Tanjung Pelepas is one of the World's busiest ports with all the Super Container Ships calling with next stop China.
     
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  15. Flyer

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    The oxygen masks don't come down if there's a fire, its possible everyone was overcome but not before the pilot set the altitude to 5k feet which you is where the plane was last.

    I agree the the simplistic answer is usually the correct one but there's several things that don't make sense which is why it hasn't been solved.
     
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  16. qprbeth

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    Is the cockpit...differentially pressurised and so the pilots are safe????
     
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  17. Azmi

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    It isn't. However the pilots' oxygen lasts considerably longer than the 12 to 15 mins of that of the passengers.

    Underneath the Boeing 777 cockpit (allegedly) there is an electronics bay which may or may not have been the source of the cockpit fire of a 777 at Cairo airport.
     
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  18. brb

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    As stated my Imaz, No, also in the event of anything wrong with the pilots, any surviving onboard crew are not trained to use any of the controls.
     
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  19. TheLoneRanger

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    What I want to know is why haven't the Malaysian authorities contacted Flyer yet? He seems to have all the answers!
     
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  20. Azmi

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    Malaysia Airlines' loss will be Air Asia's gain?

    New stadium and new players then, TF.
     
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