Ok mate, pretty much what I thought you meant..would turn into a ****fest...and I'm sure there are people even on here that will still do it (not our board) Did you wince? When reading the title. I did.....automatically.... But.... We are not a cliche.....our politicians haven't worked it out yet...so confident. Arrogance...Until the hospital doesn't work.. now we start asking the questions you lot have always asked.....
I don't think any of the parties are pro-Europe enough!!! Aere you happy with the Tory scumbugs anti-EU stance? So backward looking!!
Trust me the Tories are not anti EU. They are just anti giving up control. The EU is a **** pile. A union that will sacrifice any member state to protect the survival of the Union, and in this **** pile lobbyists can get access to the entire Eurozone by lobbying a single group of people in Brussels. So the people behind politics have a centralised Europe to corrupt rather than having to deal with individual nations and laws. I move around working, I know many that do. Less paper work is not worth the sacrifice of sovereignty and self rule. ****ing EU taken 140bn of Irish fishing waters, and we got to bail out German banks, Germany would have collapsed had the Irish not been forced to take on generations of debt **** the EU I would piledrive Merkel and Enda Kenny if i could get my hands on them.
Let's face facts. Adams is the top man in the IRA/SF to suggest he did not order this killing, and many others is a bit naive. Remember one persons freedom fighter is another persons terrorist, lets compare it with Israel, Moshya Dayan, was a senior terrorist responsible for the deaths of many British troops and Arabs. After Israel was recognised became a senior military commander and eventually foreign minister. The victors write history!
Leave Merkle alone! The Irish made the economic mess by themselves and for themselves and desrve what has happened. When the Irish joined the Euro, the vast majority of commentators clearly pointed out that your inflation rate was far too high for you to adopt the ECB's base rate. However you did and appeared to make hay whilst others looked elsewhere. So the myth of the Celtic Tiger - in reality the Celtic mountain of debt - was born. Then some of your politicians wanted the ECB to take responsibility for the recklessness of those who drove and ran the Irish economy (ha ha ha!). Only the Irish could even try and blame somebody-else for what they did to themselves! There are plenty of problems with the EU and it is presently no constructed - not least with the power invested in non-elected Commisioners and the lack of true power invested in the European Parliament. But the Irish economic woes are domestic far more than they are created by other EU countries. !
**** Gerry and shame fein ... Bobby Sands died 33 years ago on monday next, he gave up his life for his country but the big man Gerry "wasnt in the ra" so he became a professional mourner. Then marty who admits he was a ra man "but left before things kicked off" got himself a nice wee job and a trip to meet the queen. Both are a disgrace tbh. Rant over
I dont care about the economics my ramt is against the irish deserve what happened. No we dont my unborn grandkids will be paying back this bailout scam how do they deserve that ? Ireland is a ****ed up basket case where a garlic importer got 6 years for not paying the vat and the two guys who brought down anglo will be getting community service off the same judge.
OK I'll indulge you Dave if only to shut you up.: ireland's debt is two primary sources. The country was not broke far from it, what happened first was the cost of borrowing went through the roof. Then the government guaranteed the banks knowing full well they were insolvent. Then the bank execs were also giving out illegal loans to their buddies. But it has nothing to do with sovereignty, nation doesn't come into it, it was European trading. These banks namely Anglo had done business with German banks, all private contracts, nothing to do with the public, obviously you cannot enter into a contract without your consent especially in banking I would imagine. Angie ****ing Merkel sacrificed Ireland to save the German economy and the ****ing Eurozone When Anglo went bust, it meant that German banks would go bust, at least 1 and also banks in other countries in the eurozone and American banks took major hits from Anglo collapsing, the ones that caused the crash in the first place but essentially you had a string of risk taking European banks that took gambles and when the house of cards collapsed the bill, 42% of it was put on to Ireland's population of 6 million. Then the private bond holders, 60bn I think, the government again took this private risk, bets by rich people that lost out, they took this and turned it, illegally, into public debt. I have yet to see the list of bond holders but apparently they are a high profile bunch, one Irish Rugby player, a Judge, given his rhetoric lately some suspect Bono was a bond holder. So Dave, the Irish public saving risk taking German banks(Ireland could have survived letting Anglo collapse, look at Iceland) with Irish risk taking banks, the majority of it loaned to buddy developers. We then get to pay billions for Irish Water to be set up, the state then takes this money from local councils and introduces a gateway scheme where unemployed people can work for the councils on this scheme for €1 per hour. Oh and the Troika oversee us now, even though we've "exited the bailout" they are directing the government to cut another 2bn so that we have some spare cash. Meanwhile the banks are repossessing the homes of the people who are currently paying to bail them out.
Ok I'll take back deserve. But the state went into the Euro when the historic term inflation rate was over 15% and adopted the Euro base rate significantly lower than the prevailing punt base rate was. It was a recipe for disaster! Whilst the money flowed nobody took any notice (just like the UK). But when the carousel stopped the fundemental weakness was exposed. Now when it comes to holding those who caused this mess to book, neither of our countries have done a very good job and yes future gnerations will be apying the bill.
I'm not arguing about the situation in 2007/8. What I am saying is that your inflation rate when you joined the Euro was already far too high for you to safely adopt the ECB Base Rate. You just kept stoking the flames of inflation and collapse.
Sisu I press3d the wrong button lol my big manly thumb hit dislike imstead of like ... anyway back on topic are we all agreed **** Gerry if he did it lock him up if he didnt then let him out. End of story. At least if hes innocent he goes home unlike jean who wasnt a tout but never came home and wasnt even found for 31 years
We had our problems but Iceland have shown there can be a solution and as long as Ireland has a good economic relationship with the UK it would have been manageable. This is what I mean about sacrificing a member state for the benefit of the union. Ireland has been sacked, they tried to flog our forests ffs. our central bank will now burn billions of money every year to balance the bonds. Ireland may be out of debt in 40 years IF there are no hiccups. interest earned by the IMF from the Irish tax payer from out recent bailout. $9 billion, didn't they do well saving german banks while making 9 billion off of the Irish citizen as well. ****ING MERKEL ****ING EU
You can't argue anymore as you've ****ed off out of it! But if you really want to do it your way (as a State) the leave the Eu and the Euro and refuse to reapy. Then watch them movers and shakers re-address the issue!
