It seems that no matter which way you look at this one side simply blames the other and there has been wrong doing by both sides, the more I read the more confusing as to who is to blame for the current conflict becomes.
Says who? God? all of the people from that area came from Iraq. This predated christianity and Judaism, so.. Most Zionists don't believe in god, but they believe he gave them Israel ironically the \semitic jews from that region were against the immigrant settlers sent to the region. Also, Palestinians are Semitic, more so than most Jews around the world ironically
Not totally serious on that btw, but the sunburn in case you didn't notice they wear white to avoid the desert heat and I have never ever head of an Arab wearing gloves in the desert sun to avoid sunburn The outfits are for the pictures imo, seriously doubt they travel and fight in the desert in that kit
Thing is right now there is only one side committing crimes and it isn't Palestine. Hamas never fired a rocket for 2 years and the brutal occupation still went on, the blockade still goes on. The killing land stealing and kidnapping still goes on. For 2 years the same conditions existed and Hamas didn't do s**t and the world just ignored it. The only times the world takes notice of Palestine is when Hamas fires rockets so, why the f** do people think they put up this pitiful resistence? Because the world takes notice then. They have killed 30 people in 13 years with those rockets. How many Israelis died from smoking, drinking, car accidents in 13 years? Puts the "terror" of rockets into perspective. More people die from bee attacks than Hamas rockets. In the same 13 years well over 6,000 Palestinians have been killed by all the best weaponry America and Britain and Europe can give Israel. Israel kills 2100 people and Germany says, "here have some free submarines, because we are still guilty as **** over WWII so you can extort money and weapons from us and we will never ever criticise you"
UEFA have ruled palestine's falg cannot be shown at football matches, even though palestine is a member of FIFA? you can wave an israel flag or any other flag but apparently waving the Palestinian flag merits a fine, Celtic St johnston and Dundalk United fined. Zionist reach is everywhere. Expect the 2020 Euros to be in Israel so. watch and see how Israel hosts a tournament in a Palestinian city and pretends Palestinians never existed.
An exile in Turkey said Hamas admitted doing it, that did not come from Hamas in Gaza. So.. who do you believe. Also, what about the Palestinian teens shot before the week before the kidnapping of the three teens? Could that not be considered "starting it"? Hamas is an illegitimate argument anyway, they only started firing rockets in 2001. The land stealing and murder was going on for 6 decades by then. can you tell me what other invading and occupation force in history, has ever claimed ot be the victim? Google also influenced by the Zionist nazis. No Palestine on google maps, marked as Israel. https://www.google.ie/maps/@35.8648189,40.0685764,6z?hl=en
All way over my head at the moment. I was listening to a phone in on Rdio 4 about it and the opposing views are crazy both parties blame each other some from either side agree with the others side and it just seems a mess that will never get sorted out.
Luv I am repeating myself In this thread there are many Israeli and external Jewish sources posted in this threat. Giveon Levy journalist in Israel for over 20 years Miko Peled, former IDF, son of Matti Peled famous general, grand son of a man who signed the Israeli declaration of independence. norman Finklestein, Political Analyst and Historian, both his parents were in Nazi camps and his extended family were wiped out by the Nazis Nurit Peled Elhanan Professor at the hebrew university of Jerusalem. Eran Efrati, former IDF Richard Goldstone. Jewish. UN. To name but a few. Listen to what they have to say I guess, look it up, it's a real eye opener. These ae mostly Israelis. they talk about not only about Gaza, or the racism propaganda and ultranationalism of israel and the problem with Zionism hijacking exploiting and destroying Judaism, a religion about peace and love, but they also talk about the problems in Israel, the apartheid, the propaganda education, the ultra nationalism, the classification of the Aab Israeli population as a dempgraphic problem, the sterilisation of immigrant African women, the racially segregated check points, and even now since last year segregated Kindergartens in Tel Aviv. nationalism like that.. BNP style, Britain First style, Defense League.. When has it ever led to anything good? Ever? People matter not flags and ideology, those are tools of the state and in Israel's case the state is a racist terrorist state that has carried out many assassinations in all the countries around it and much farther afield. We are not talking a peace loving state here, they have a war every few years just like their patron nations the NATO gang. Boarding a ship on a humanitarian mission and killing a bunch of people, in international waters? Not terrorism? Assassination bombings that have killed plenty of civilians not terrorism?. A little research puts the whole thing into context, probably 4th strongest military in the world and armed with Nukes and the backing of the US and EU, pounding on a nation they have been occupying and stealing their land for decades, killing thousands in weeks, pounding to rubble a nation that has never had an army, a tank a plane an artillery piece and people think this is a fight? A conflict? INSANE The sources I gave give a much better education on this than I or this thread will give you. For me the media silence to what is happening since the ceasefire is no accident. Hamas have to fire some rockets to get some attention for Palestine from the world because unless they fire rockets you won't hear much. Who heard about the execution of 2 Palestinian teens before the 3 teens went missing? Most people believe it started then, when the teens were kiidnapped. Nothing is mentioned about the many Palestinians killed since the last ceasefire in 2012. How many homes destroyed, the constant blockade, firing on fishermen, destroying farms, slicing apart Palestinian land with walled in roads, the racially segregated checkpoints for Europeans and Israelis and the other for Arabs, that take hours to get through coincidentally. Official policies like the one in my signature. "Lets break everyone that has the balls to resist's arms, video provided, that is what they do. The scary thing is, Netanyahu is not the most extreme, the home or homeland party want to exterminate Gaza, wipe it out. You can see how bad it is when The Times of Israel publish a blog asking "when is Genocide permissible" concerning Gaza. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/yochanan-genocide-permissible.html Then you know there is a real f**ing problem with these right wing freaks who are committing sociocide on their own people. A great resource for easy on the eye information without the need for tons of reading. Puts things into context http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Sisu has got it wrong, it isn't some one sided evil Israel. Both sides are to blame, both have made mistakes and done horrible things. The people of Israel live in constant fear of war, something sisu conveniently forgets when he portrays them as blood thirsty murderers. But it doesn't surprise me as he is totally set in his views. If he'd ever been there he wouldn't be so strongly anti-Israeli.
Or maybe given that Palestine isn't recognised by the world as a country google are just use the most accurate map they can.... Not evrything is a conspiracy ffs.
There are eight criteria accepted by the international community used to determine whether an entity is an independent country or not. A country need only fail on one of the eight criteria to not meet the definition of independent country status. Palestine (and I shall consider either or both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in this analysis) does not meet all eight criteria; it fails somewhat on one of the eight criteria... 1. Has space or territory that has internationally recognized boundaries (boundary disputes are OK). Somewhat. Both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank have internationally recognized boundaries. However, these boundaries are not legally fixed. 2. Has people who live there on an ongoing basis. Yes, the Gaza Strip's population is 1,710,257 and the population of the West Bank is 2,622,544 (as of mid-2012). 3. Has economic activity and an organized economy. A country regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money. Somewhat. The economies of both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank are disrupted by conflict, especially in Hamas-controlled Gaza only limited industry and economic activity is possible. Both regions have exports of agricultural products and the West Bank exports stone. Both entities utilize the new Israeli shekel as their currency. 4. Has the power of social engineering, such as education. Somewhat. The Palestinian Authority does have social engineering power in fields such as education and health care. Hamas in Gaza also provides social services. 5. Has a transportation system for moving goods and people. Yes; both entities have roads and other transportation systems. 6. Has a government that provides public services and police or military power. Somewhat. While the Palestinian Authority is permitted to provide local law enforcement, Palestine does not have its own military. Nonetheless, as can be seen in the latest conflict, Hamas in Gaza does have control of a extensive militia. 7. Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the country's territory. Somewhat. The West Bank and Gaza Strip do not yet have full sovereignty and control over their own territory. 8. Has external recognition. A country has been "voted into the club" by other countries. No. Despite the super-majority of United Nations members approving United Nations General Assembly resolution 67/19 on November 29, 2012, giving Palestine non-member state observer status, Palestine is not yet eligible to join the United Nations as an independent country. While dozens of countries recognize Palestine as independent, it has not yet attained full independent status, despite the UN resolution. If the UN resolution had allowed Palestine to join the United Nations as a full member state, it would have immediately been recognized as an independent country. Thus, Palestine (nor the Gaza Strip nor the West Bank) is not yet an independent country. The two parts of "Palestine" are entities that, in the eyes of the international community, have yet to obtain full have international recognition. http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/palestinenot.htm
Yet they are an observer member of the UN. yet they have a national football team recognised by FIFA. They have ambassadors all over the world. They have a national identity and a national name Palestinians, in fact you just referred to it as Palestine. What you lamely call "the world not recognising Palestine" is in fact one country hog tying the entire process, the United States. here's another little fact that blows the crap out of what you say. The international court of justice determined the occupation of Palestinian land is illegal, the settlements are illegal. All 7 judges said this. The UN has past 77 resolutions on Israel, and again this one country blocks any action, the United States. Now, Zionists in the United states, which make up about 1.4% of the US population, with just over 2% Jewish (not all Jews support Israel). The proportion of donations to both republicans and Democrats is 60% by Zionist benefactors. Statistical fact. 60% of all donations to US politics comes from Pro Israel sources. Wow, add to that massive influence the fact that the media is also owned by pro Israel people, like Rupert Murdoch, rabidly Pro israel, Fox News is a racist xenophobic Pro Israel Pro anything Murdoch is news channel. Then add that the think tanks are also headed up by Zionists, and think tanks dictate foreign policy. So it is no small surprise the US blocks everything. Israel, 77 UN resolutions passed for what Israel has been doing Palestine, yes the UN passed a resolution on Palestine the state, 1 resolution. I am well aware Zionist influenced Google shows no Palestinian state but Google is a private company that has nothing to do with factual history, a terribly weak back up to your point given law backs up Palestine and so does the fact they are recognised by the UN FIFA and so on as well as many countries. palestine. What's pretty f**ing weak is you trying to back what was illegal british giving away of other people's land, even the local Jews in Palestine didn't want those immigrants coming in, the Israeli myth is it was just the Arabs, no, it was Semitic jews. Britain stemmed the flow of Immigrants after some years because they were doing so much killing raping and burning. Confirmed by Schlolo Ben Ami in one of his books, he's ex Israeli dibplomat by the way. Even the 1967 war. Quote Matti Peled, famous 1967 war General. "The myth were were going to be attacked and wiped out was created after the war" Lindon Johnson to Israeli intelligence before the attack on Egypt "We looked at your data twice and Egypt is not going to attack" Israeli intelligence replied "we are of the same mind". All a fabrication. Lies. I am providing hard facts so take your conspiracy and shove it, historical facts, Israeli sources, stats that even the Israeli government admit accurate and so on. I bring all that and you have so little historical knowledge that all you are left with is saying "conspiracy". You can read to try seem informed but it will take monhts to get versed in this subject at least pal. I will say you avoided all you could on this thread and cherry picked the only post you could throw up a straw man at because you are not equipped to discuss much of the other things and also you certainy ignore a lot of the factual stuff in this thread about Israel, laws, actions, the sheer racism in the country the sterilisation of immigrant women against their will. The murder death and destruction. The fact israel always breaks the ceasefires. Even this time round Israel has fired on fishermen twice, a war ship firing on dudes in tiny ass boats with fishing nets. But according to people like you that is not breaking a cease fire or starting anything?
I will start off by saying what a ludicrously compartmentalised logic this is. Why, well, because Palestine has been occupied by foreign forces for over 100 years, Ottomans British and Israelis, they did have education, they do have education, when Israeli is not blowing up schools and students and teachers. Only today I was looking at students holding pictures of all the others who wont be returning to the school, because they are all dead. Israel prevents an economy. Not only that, when Israel steals land from a Palestinian farmer, the farmer goes broke and has to work on building the settlement on the very land he just had stolen from him, can you even imagine how that feels? So right there, Israel preventing education and economy. Also blocked medicines. Food Fuel materials, all sorts of things to ensure Palestine stays as it is, especially Gaza. Where you are not allowed leave, unless Israel says so.. Education Economy Freedom of movement Critical supplies Sovereignty - Israel keeps killing the politicians. israel split the west banks and Gaza and made them two separate units and then use this claim they are not united, Israel f**ing works hard to make sure they are not united. Who is Israel to say they cant have a port? An airpot? palestine was connected until Israel kept slicing away, the west bank and Gaza had a corridor, it was a single entity and as such with a port and airport and freedom of movement they would be doing pretty well given the gas off their shores too which they are prevented from getting. I think you need more than a definition to make your case mate, Israel prevents most of the things on that list from happening and so you use it as a reason without even considering israel is responsible for the current situation. You just provided a totally useless argument in this. The occupation is illegal under international law. The settlements are illegal under international law. Seeing as you want to use legal definitions like, why is Palestine an Observer member of the UN? Why do they have an international football team and have played international football? Israel will not decalre it's borders so how can Google maps show an israel on the map as much as a Palestine?!
Your totally off your head. Your trying to answer arguments that I haven't made. And you've done it in the most boring long winded way possible. Google is a private company and the maps they provide also don't show any of the other non-nations. Do a search for somaliland on google maps... Funny it's not there... But there not Jews... If you like I can list all the othe non recognised nations that don't appear on google maps due to not being proper countries despite some people recognising them. There is no anti-Palestinian agenda at google. You total tool. Like I said, not everything is some conspiracy.
