A south African delegation visited Gaza some years back, this is according to Israeli journalist of 20 years reporting on Gaza, Gideon Levy, he said the delegation said "this is worse than South African Apartheid" he didnt qquite agree but there you have an idea of how bad it was\is
Just to be clear, I am not at all in favour of the settlement strategy put into action by Israel and think it goes against creating any sorting of lasting peace in the region. I don't try to condone or justify some of the horrific ways in which Israel have acted. I just don't think it's as straight forward as you make it out to be and I think you ignore anything which has happened to Israel. There are two sides to this and neither are in the right.
There are two sides here. One just happens to be vastly superior to the other. if two football clubs play a game, one a PL giant and the other Brierfield Celtic B team, is it not a football match? Its not ethnic cleansing either ffs. seriously, get a grip. The civilians are collateral damage (harsh word but factually correct) caused by close combat fighting and strategic bombing. Not condoning it but simply putting the neutral POV forward.
This is the issue, the moderate opinion as it were. Given the history, any oppressed peoples resist, Israel created Hamas, that's the thing, and now it is punishing Palestinians for it, taking their land and running the biggest open air prison in the world. It is now just like the Warsar ghetto Any brutal occupation creates a Hamas. The IRA, the original IRA not the murdering scum of later years, were created by the british occupation and it festers and leads to the later stage IRA who were scum, parts of Hamas may indeed be scum, but history has shown this will always hapepn when you do what Israel has done for 7 decades.
Whats the christian population of Gaza like in terms of numbers? are they sufficient enough that they may one day end the run of terrorists leading the palestinians and give the potential for peace one day. The extremists will never agree so it will never end and lets be honest, Israel will win any out and out war.
The IRA where ****s. **** trying to pin any blame on the British for the dirty Irish scum who decided to blow people up. ****s.
I clearly posted that same sentiment, in the early days targeting state and military officials, that was fair game but civilians, and the other s**t thereafter, totally 100% wrong. But you missed the point entirely, you cannot create terrorists and then stand back and say, oh they're terrorists, you have to look at the cause, look at Iraq, it is now a terrorist factory, thanks to NATO. Libya, the same. Where does it end ffs
Even the early IRA where ****s though, they basically went against democracy in Ireland because they didn't agree with what was happening. It wasn't just a fight against the awful occupying Brits, it was about a certain group of people getting what they wanted, not about the general Irish population.
For the record, the British army also engaged in terrorism back then, including planting bombs and murdering civilians, it was a ghastly affair mate regardless of the causes. This takes me to the current situation in Gaza and lets forget the circular arguments for a minute. If we leave out the causes, and the crimes that take us to where we are now, we are left with a situation where civilians who have no power to control events are being killed en masse. Where is the UN? Where are the peacekeeping troops that can stop the killing? Where are the sanctions? Where are the weapons blockades? The f**ing US had a stockpile of weapons in Israel and gave the IDF authority to open it up and use them. While also giving Israel a just agreed 600 million dollars, as of today, to replish the iron dome. So who will give Palestinians a defence against airstrikes and mortars and naval fire, they have been hit by a tonnage of bombs and missiles that Hamas could never in their wildest dreams match, thousands of air sorties and so on. Where is the protection for Palestinians if they are as claimed also victims of Hamas? There is no logic in the support for the heavyweight and no support for the defenceless. Israel gets all of the support and has a defence that shoots down 90% of Hamas rockets and another % of that remaining 10% lands in the middle of nowhere, most if not all Israeli firing is accurate and annihilates the target, so they are targetting civilains, they are advanced, more so than most armies in the world. So Israel is fairly well defended by US money and weapons. Who will punt for the Palestinians, not Hamas, the women and kids that get blown to bits. The lunacy of calling Hamas terrorists if they fire aimless rockets and hit civilians while callijng Israel's slaughter of civilians self defence. If Hamas are terrorists for punishing civilains for IDF actions then Israel is also a terorist state for killing Palestinians for Hamas actions.. When were the last rockets fired before this round, 2012? Two years?, and then tell me how many Palestinians were killed or imprsoned without charge between those times. Then you see, Hamas always responds, never initiates I remember the brief hysteria on here when people suspected Russia might start shooting civilians during the Crimea saga, some of those people have shown less distaste at the carnage in Gaza or try reason for it, people like that are not right in the f**ing head
Pretty shocking by UIR, especially given Israel is armed by the biggest military in the world and funded by that same country, the US, biggest killers of civilians since WWII. You might as well have the US in there, all their gear and money is. Much Israeli equipment has UK manufactured parts and the UK gives Israel 8bn worth of arms licenses a year. Seems to me you have the powerful state backed by several poweful states while hammering at a civilian society that never ever had a military of any kind. Not only that, one of the states backing Israel actually gave Israel Palestinian land, it's a f**ing disgusting sham of a "war" and those people have been f**ing screwed over and over
Only a braindead ****ing moron would think i compared anything. I was quite obviously pointing out that two sides of differing strength can still go to war.
Really interesting debate on C4 now regarding anti-Semitism in pro-Palestinian campaigns. Intriguing that the organiser of the pro-Palestinian rallies in the UK is..... Jewish.
Fascinating that there are so many Brits in this IDF who consider it their 'duty' to fight for their religious homeland. Wonder if the Mail and Telegraph will have hundreds of letters and e-mails saying that they shouldn't be allowed back into Britain, as they did when thousands of Moslems flocked to Afghanistan and Syria?
Given there is no animosity towards the uk from Israel or people of the Jewish faith like was present amongst an element of the fighting groups in the other countries you mentioned and that it's national service as opposed to rebel fighting it seems like a different situation to me in regards to the possible threat levels posed by people returning from different countries and conflicts.
One man's freedom fighter, another man's terrorist.. Hypocrisy? I think so.. but hey, that's just my opinion...
I think you'll find the "extremists" in the Israeli cabinet couldn't care less who's governing Gaza, its clear to see what their agenda is and they only issue they have is that this time they haven't been able to play the "victim" in the eyes of the worlds media (well, the media that's had the nerve to report it..) Before anyone goes ape-****e.. The "Victim" comment wasn't in reference to the Holocaust, that was barbaric and rightly condemned as one of the darkest moments of human history! They are unable to play the Victim here because we all know who the real victims are now and have been for a fair few decades!
WTF This sort of thing is just wrong and helps f**ing no one, I can understand being angry but this is ridiculous if it's true, this is how Israel behaves, but it is not worth copying their actions or sinking to their level. ‘Send her to Gaza’: Belgian doctor denies help to Jewish 90yo woman with fractured rib http://rt.com/news/177372-belgian-doctor-jewish-woman/
When Brits joined the International Brigade to fight against Franco/Facism in the 1930's they were regarded as heroes after the event when WW2 was over, at the time they were fighting, unless you were a Communist, they were regarded in a much less favourable light.
It's a cycle. Invasion occupation oppression dehumanisation, murder. Like some of this s**t. Detainment and humiliation at checkpoints for the amusement of Israeli soldiers. Raids on homes of people who did nothing wrong and are not in any way Hamas linked. Detention and mistreatment of over 200 children in detention Torture and humiliation of thousands of political prisoners, 5000 recently went on hunger strike, no news on that. Complete control over what food medicine and fuel and anything else. Captured labour force in the occupied territory that have to work for Israeli factories and businesses. Ongoing illegal settlements which further break up the Palestinian communities in the areas these settlements are built, with Palestinians who use to own and farm the land left standing ther holding his keys and f** all else, no future. Constant shootings of civilians many for absloutely no reasons, snipers picking off kids and adults. Intentional near starvation No rights to start up businesses, permits, at the whim of Israel No housing rights, permits at the whim of Israel. No travel rights, permits at the whim of Israel Demolition of thousands of homes, maybe 10s of thousands of homes No Marryig West Bank Palestinians for Israeli Palestinians, not allowed, unless you want to f** off to the West Bank Complete control over airspace sea and land corridors Closing of crossings anytime Israel is unhappy with something That's just off the top of my head, things that the media mention very little of, very little. This hapens constantly, it is an every day thing for Palestinians to suffer. This has nothing to do with Hamas rockets, when they stopped in 2012 did the occupation end, no the murder and oppression continued for another 2 years and then the massive raid and killing of 9 more Palestinians, 3 or 4 of them kids, and then Hamas fire rockets and the moderates say "cant we all just get along" the nuts say "israel has a right to defent its self" and the people with half a brain say "When is someone going to step in and protect Palestinians from that racist zionist war mongering terrorist state"
