i Off topic, i think Louis Suarez, knows exacly who he is, that's why you see no guilt in his eyes. all his collegues, past and present testify to his character. Seems like a good guy, a family man, you can see his love for his daughter Delphina.
You have to have laws, unless you want anarchy. Should the police punish people who drive 34 in a thirty zone? they have too or where do you draw the line? if you said to your friend, steal a car mate, if proven this would be incitement to theft. Racism can not be tolerated, nor homophobia or bullying.
People from outside the UK can make comments on twitter like the lad who got jailed and the police here cant do **** all about it. Unless theres an agreement on internet abuse between all nations(which will never happen)to combat racist abuse etc etc it will always exist.
Another topic for debate, did Suarez's refusal to shake Evra's hand prove his innocence. If offered the hand of a man who lied to defame your name, would you shake it? He was stiched up royal style.
I agree with you. However we are both confirming Frank's assertion that, in the end it's more than a question of law it's an acceptance of personal responsibility for what is said, written or illustrated. Now, I don't see how the law can define that responsibility it can only attempt to police it. Let's say that, on this board I vehemently disagree with you and call you a dickhead. Now, in terms of the language that is often used on these boards that may offend you but would probably be acceptable. However, it is public and it is published and would almost certainly fail the "impressionable youth" test that you offered earlier. So are you saying that the 'normal' adult(?) language that is used here should be curtailed so as to fit your test? My opinions are my own and I do have the right to express them. To my mind that is an inalienable right. However that right is tempered by the need to ensure that any offence caused by publishing them is not gratuitous.
Free speech - freedom in general, indeed - works two ways, and the Police have forgotten it at their peril. Twitter and Facebook, as the proprietors of these social networks, have the freedom to with them what they wish. Instead of ratting their own users out to the coppers, why don't they have moderators like a forum to investigate complaints, delete comments violating the site rules and give warnings to the appropriate people? Why do people inevitably fail to use their own freedom of speech to criticize those who have abused theirs like the disgusting bastard taunting Muamba and those murdered girls, and throw away their own rights by calling on the Police to be violent towards the perpetrators by arresting them and throwing them in a cell? It's self-defeating. People could name and shame those who have 'trolled', make their lives hell if they wanted, and all without removing freedom of speech. But it's so much easier to call on the nanny state to do our bidding for us in this day and age that we forget it. Well if you give too much to your nanny, she can turn into quite the spoiled bitch, and people would do well to remember that. Especially when we're all grown-up enough not to need that nanny in the first place.
baz, I wouldn't have shaken Evra's hand for the very reason that you highlighted. BUT, I would have told Kenny before hand of my decision.
If you call me a dickhead in to my face, I may laugh or punch you, pretty sure the police would not be intrested. If you called me 'Dirty black bastard' (excuse me) then if there was a witness, the police would indeed prosecute. The same should apply for the internet.
Very intresting, if the law in texas does not forbid such comments, then he and hundreds of others could hardly be extradited.
Yea, maybe, it's hard to call. I like Suarez,nd won't be brainwashed into thinking he is guilty. I read his body language as innocent, and trust my instincts.
Now I'm arguing for arguings sake but: What if you were black and you were dirty and are a bastard? Then I would in fact have been telling the truth. What happens then?
The police can't control individual posters, that's why you see sites, with 'report this comment' or comments closed. Sites who are not seen as trying to control there users will be taken down, even the big boys such as Facebook, or Twitter. Rule one in webdesign, create links to allow users to complain / self moderate.
Why is it then that Facebook and Twitter are failing so spectacularly to moderate their own users and have such increasing prosecution rates, and indeed in countries where their servers aren't based and which have far stricter speech laws than the US? Because they're lazy, deferential twats is the conclusion that I've come to.
I know where you are going, if I called a white person, a white Bastard, is that racism? It's such a delicate subject, but I believe it is better to talk about it rather than brush it under the carpet.
Baz, I totally agree with you. But the whole issue has done my head in for the night so I'm off to get some kip. See ya tomorrow.
Because of the volume of traffic. Even if they are seen to make an effort, they can use that exact excuse, and it is valid, try moderating millions of users.
