Poor girl my daughter goes to Wolfreton its been a very sad last few days at the school has you can imagine. PIP Beth, please keep signing that's a 16 year old girl and a 13 year old boy this year who have jumped off the bridge
While I agree the higher railings may be a deterrent, if someone is desperate enough to consider ending their life then they will find another way. The only thing I worry about is the percentage that will choose an alternative with severe consequences for others. Suicide is terrible but jumping from the bridge may be seen by some as an option which will have the least impact on strangers. I know a train driver who had someone jump in front of his train to kill themselves, the stress it caused him has given him sleepless nights & depression himself as well as feelings of guilt, so much so that he has had to give up his job. Similar situations arise when people jump from motorway bridges or step out in front of buses & trucks. We need to do more to deal with the mental health of our population, preventing people feeling the need to kill themselves must be the highest priority.
The problem is that we live in a society where some people see it as their only option. It is society that is broken !! Mental health is still seen as a taboo & people who suffer are too often stigmatised & cannot find the support they need
Terrible....so young and such a waste ....I don't understand depression , I think maybe only those who have experienced it know how horrible it must be. Poor girl.....RIP Beth :-( ( signed it this afternoon )
The problem is, and unless you have suffered it yourself you will never understand, suicide is not the action of a rational individual, people with mental health issues & depression do not think rationally. I have heard someone describing their life as a long dark tunnel without an end, where the subconscious takes over & the voices in their heads tell them they are worthless & that killing themselves would be doing the world & those who know them a favour. Most people would know that this is not true, but when they are in such a dark place in their minds what others may actually think do not come into their decisions, I doubt any would consider they are being selfish, most would see it as doing the world a favour. Before being so judgemental remember...there but for the grace of god !!
I'm not upset by your post and I'm not shaking my fist. Your comments just make you look like a t**t; they look like something Patty would say for attention. "Selfish", "struggle to have full compassion", "hand wringing" and "totally inexcusable" were your words of choice. Pardon us for misinterpreting these comments as victim-blaming and that of an arsehole.
Serious question , coz i actually think ur taking the piss . are you deliberately misunderstanding my original post that you quoted from ? My original post was in the context of those that have to clear up after suicide , those that have to maybe be unwilling participants in their action . i really didnt want to get into a squabble about this , you know nothing about my work from 2001-2004 nothing about my brothers work nor anything about my family . Not every suicide is a spontaneous action either ,they can be premeditated even if unrational , theres no rule book on what triggers the thoughts and i certainly dont want to discuss anyones individual cases . Until this very sentence i've not mentioned depression or other reasons behind suicide , i genuinely have no negative feeling (in the sense you are accusing me of) towards someone who takes their own life or the illness they suffer my points were geared towards the people that have to make everything look nice again so you can sit on your ****ing ivory tower telling the rest of us how we should feel !
Where have I told anyone how they should feel? I saw your comment and thought it was a pathetic attempt to brand people who commit suicide as selfish. You then suggested that people with depression exaggerate their illness by referring it to "hand-wringing". Depression is a reasonable justification for taking your own life, even if it's done in haste.
"As for suicide i struggle to have full compassion for someone being so selfish - yes ive read umpteen posts from people hand wringing about depression but i still find it totally inexcusable" I think you should admit that either your feelings on mental health and suicide are uninformed, or the words you wrote were very badly thought out. If you can do neither, you'd probably be better off not posting any more on this thread.
This thread has gone crazy the last couple days. If anyone is interested here is some info on how a bridge barrier prevents people from killing themselves not just at the bridge in particular but how it prevents them from killing themselves at all. Here is one of the primary studies used to prove the statistics. http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=2007-13949-009 Quotes from articles about us building the Golden Gate Bridge barrier. âWeâve learned two really important things about suicide prevention in the last 30 years," explained Keith Humphreys, a Stanford Professor of Psychiatry and mental health expert. "The first one is that some people have very particular ways that they wish to take their lives. Itâs not that they want to end their lives in general, they want to end it at the Golden Gate Bridge. If that option is not available, they will not take their own life.â Humphreys explained the other big finding from suicide prevention research is that the act of suicide is often âimpulsive.â So, if the urge can't be satisfied at a particular site, the desire may go away." http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Golden-Gate-Bridge-and-Beyond-275831931.html Dr. Mel Blaustein, the medical director of psychiatry at St. Francis Hospital, said research shows that people deterred by barriers from jumping to their deaths do not go to other, nearby sites. "We have scientific evidence of that," he said. Suicide barriers on other bridges have proved to be successful in deterring jumpers, according to a study released by barrier backers. At the Ellington Street Bridge in Washington, D.C., suicides dropped from 25 in seven years to one in the five years after a barrier was erected. A span in Switzerland with a net saw suicides drop from 2.5 per year to none. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Golden-Gate-Bridge-going-to-get-suicide-nets-5585482.php Here is a story by a guy named Kevin Hines who tried to commit suicide by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. He survived. http://nypost.com/2013/06/30/he-jumped-off-the-golden-gate-bridge-and-lived/ He talks on TV sometimes and describes immediately not wanting to die after he made the jump. In case you are wondering less than 1% of people survive jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.
