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Evidence?
I see predictions from bodies and people that don't want us to leave but no evidence. There can't be because we haven't left yet and no one knows the exact terms on which we will leave.
We could leave with a free trade deal on everything where we no longer have to pay to trade with the 5 countries in the EU who actually make a difference.
I'll beat you to it, "you'll never get that!!!!"
Once we've left I want us to negotiate as close to that deal as we can but since we haven't left yet, so I'm hoping/guessing.
There is an arrogance from many Remainers, we know better than you, how can you not see this.,..
You don't want to open that door because you're scared of what is outside.

Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder... you’re not shy of voicing an opinion whilst dismissing those of anyone who disagrees. You make statements about what other people think. You claim that no one has a positive reason to remain and then dismiss the reasons when you get them and continue to repeat the assertion. You claim, above, remainers are just scared. Some might call your views on this pretty arrogant.

Not that i consider it an insult... I get called arrogant a lot myself... can’t think why<laugh>
 
Evidence?
I see predictions from bodies and people that don't want us to leave but no evidence. There can't be because we haven't left yet and no one knows the exact terms on which we will leave.
We could leave with a free trade deal on everything where we no longer have to pay to trade with the 5 countries in the EU who actually make a difference.
I'll beat you to it, "you'll never get that!!!!"
Once we've left I want us to negotiate as close to that deal as we can but since we haven't left yet, so I'm hoping/guessing.
There is an arrogance from many Remainers, we know better than you, how can you not see this.,..
You don't want to open that door because you're scared of what is outside.
I wasn't meaning brexit, that's been done to death. It's going to happen or not, it will be good or bad. Hell of a game of poker though.
 
Pots and Kettles

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Not at all. The Labour Party are the ones being investigated by the human rights watchdog, only the second time a UK political party has been investigated, the other one being the BNP :emoticon-0136-giggl

A vote for Labour is a vote for racism.

Corbyn absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neil tonight. Only 30 minutes long - you should watch it. You might learn something.
 
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I’m not sure who the traitors are.

In terms of who blocked brexit... well the labour mps, Of course but there’s:
- the tories that voted against may’s bill
- including the hard line brexiteers and including Johnson and mogg
- may herself and her team for watering down the bill in the first place.

Are they all traitors? They were all trying to get their own idea of brexit... because not everybody had the same idea of brexit... and for many the brexit they wanted wasn’t actually achievable.
 
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Arrogance is in the eye of the beholder... you’re not shy of voicing an opinion whilst dismissing those of anyone who disagrees. You make statements about what other people think. You claim that no one has a positive reason to remain and then dismiss the reasons when you get them and continue to repeat the assertion. You claim, above, remainers are just scared. Some might call your views on this pretty arrogant.

Not that i consider it an insult... I get called arrogant a lot myself... can’t think why<laugh>

Do you disagree that many remain voters believe that those who voted to leave didn't really understand the consequences and that many remain voters can't understand why someone would vote to leave the EU?

If you haven't then just trawl through Twitter.

I call that arrogant. I'm not sure what else it would be.

Someone on Twitter asked the same question we've had on here, "I can't see any plausible positive reason why someone would want to leave the EU"
My answer?
"Because it would hopefully upset those who want to remain."
I hope it pissed him off because he wouldn't understand or accept a proper answer.

I actually think that a person who wants to remain is doing OK as things are so why should they rock the boat or they're not doing great but worry that things could get even worse if we leave. I'm talking about the meat and potatoes, not that "I want to be able to travel freely and work in Poland"
Am I missing something?
 
I’m not sure who the traitors are.

In terms of who blocked brexit... well the labour mps, Of course but there’s:
- the tories that voted against may’s bill
- including the hard line brexiteers and including Johnson and mogg
- may herself and her team for watering down the bill in the first place.

Are they all traitors? They were all trying to get their own idea of brexit... because not everybody had the same idea of brexit... and for many the brexit they wanted wasn’t actually achievable.
The Maybot wanted Brino like all the other lying bastards they just wanted to look like they were being democratic,
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Not at all. The Labour Party are the ones being investigated by the human rights watchdog, only the second time a UK political party has been investigated, the other one being the BNP :emoticon-0136-giggl

A vote for Labour is a vote for racism.

Corbyn absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neil tonight. Only 30 minutes long - you should watch it. You might learn something.
OK I've watched parts of the interview and, well, Corbyn isn't really going to cut it is he. I still don't understand what all this anti-semitism rhetoric is about though. Is it possible in a couple of sentences to explain what the labour party is accused to / has been alleged to, have done
 
OK I've watched parts of the interview

If you get time you really should watch the whole interview. Corbyn's finished after this.

Corbyn isn't really going to cut it is he

See above.

I still don't understand what all this anti-semitism rhetoric is about though

Google is your friend.

Is it possible in a couple of sentences to explain what the labour party is accused to / has been alleged to, have done

See above.
 
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Not at all. The Labour Party are the ones being investigated by the human rights watchdog, only the second time a UK political party has been investigated, the other one being the BNP :emoticon-0136-giggl

A vote for Labour is a vote for racism.

Corbyn absolutely destroyed by Andrew Neil tonight. Only 30 minutes long - you should watch it. You might learn something.
a vote for Corbin is a vote for suicide
 
If you get time you really should watch the whole interview. Corbyn's finished after this.



See above.



Google is your friend.



See above.
I just watched the interview. No one could vote for Corbyn could they?
The anti semitism argument won't go away because he won't own it.
He's going to be neutral on Brexit, he can't say whether he'd give the order if we were under threat, he doesn't know where the money is coming from.....
He's absolutely ridiculous! He's not a leader at all and I cannot understand why Labour continue with him.
Jeremy, a leader takes a position and makes decisions.
 
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I just watched the interview. No one could vote for Corbyn could they?
The anti semitism argument won't go away because he won't own it.
He's going to be neutral on Brexit, he can't say whether he'd give the order if we were under threat, he doesn't know where the money is coming from.....
He's absolutely ridiculous! He's not a leader at all and I cannot understand why Labour continue with him.
Jeremy, a leader takes a position and makes decisions.
The problem with the Corbin crowd is
If they see people with something they have not got they can not wait to take it off them instead of thinking to themselves how can I earn what they have got. Has been like this for years
Corbin was the ultimate nanny state
Corbin as pm would be far worse than a completely Brexit failure
In my opinion of course.
The idiot has at last acknowledged that lower earners would be worse off under Labour but how manny would be loon voters realise this
 
The problem with the Corbin crowd is
If they see people with something they have not got they can not wait to take it off them instead of thinking to themselves how can I earn what they have got. Has been like this for years
Corbin was the ultimate nanny state
Corbin as pm would be far worse than a completely Brexit failure
In my opinion of course.
The idiot has at last acknowledged that lower earners would be worse off under Labour but how manny would be loon voters realise this

The politics of envy.
 
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What the F***. I'm not sure it is a safe thing to be bailing him having named him.

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When I was with the Somerset Fire Brigade back in the sixties, there was a case of a retained fireman caught lighting grass fires. He drew attention to himself by always being the first man to arrive at the station when the alarm was sounded. They bunged him inside for a spell (can't remember how long) and when he came out he applied to be re-instated in the brigade. They took him! Wonderful. He did it because, he said, he needed the money. (Retained men are/were paid by the hour and grass fires were always long jobs and, generally, not very dangerous).