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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. milkyboy

    milkyboy Well-Known Member

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    It's not an opinion, it's a summary of the results of a poll - a poll based on practised research methodologies of sampling data used the world over in market research- they explain their processes on their website if you can be bothered to read it. Yougov use online surveying, others may use different methods. But what you are dismissing, because you know best, is an entire mathematical field and industry. Of course statistics have weaknesses, and in these cases they only provide the what but not the why - which is where the debate should be.

    As for the completely separate, although you combined them, point about the referendum. You're doing the typical thing of couching everybody who voted remain as someone who doesn't accept the result, which is tedious. I've repeatedly said on here, that I think the referendum was poorly thought through, ... but that having held it and leave having won, we should therefore make it happen. I just happen to acknowledge that, as we have found out, how we leave isn't straightforward.
     
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  2. xbpod

    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    Swan about at uni until mid twenties, not doing a days work, 2 holidays abroad expected, live at home sponging off parents. Then shock horror they can't afford a house. Wake up no one has a right to be given everything on a plate, you have to work for it.
     
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  3. dbc

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    ftfy
     
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  4. xbpod

    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    But the original was just fine.
     
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  5. dbc

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    Stop the frothing and look at the facts.

    In 1985 a house was 2.8x the average salary and now it's 6x times the average salary. Which means no amount of not going on holiday is going to get that deposit. Wake up and realise you ****ers eat everything off the plate and then decided to smash the plate.
     
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  6. xbpod

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    So you have to work a bit harder, like I said nobody is owed anything. Only 6x the salary, in the 80's the interest rate was 17x what it is now.
     
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  7. brisbane-lion

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    Ah-ah, dbc, I think you'll find (if you're honest) that your problems were caused by a minority being unable to accept the result of a democratic referendum of the people.
     
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  8. 2020VisionofLeeds

    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    Steady on
     
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  9. LeedsLover

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    I'm quite sure the pensioners are pissed off that you voted remoan as well. I know it may be hard for you to comprehend, but things do work both ways.

    Car workers won't lose their jobs you plonka, still scaremongering? or is it you just don't know what you're talking about.

    How do you know inflation will soar, we haven't even got to that timeline yet......more scaremongering from a remoaner........you're showing your insecurities and lack of confidence.
     
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  10. LeedsLover

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    Hang on a tick, Cameron is a remoaner like you, now you're belittling them you agree with, and follow..........Brilliant.......effing Brilliant.<doh>
     
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  11. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    Learn to comprehend what is written. I didn’t predict inflation would rise I said it would affect some pensioners (those without index linked pensions) if it occurred. It’s a risk, therefore. It may or may not do so, I hope not. One of many reasons for not wanting Corbyn as PM is runaway government borrowing usually results in higher inflation. But as the Tories will also spend more, compared to austerity, it may rise somewhat under them too. That’s not a prediction it’s a recognition we have historically low inflation and we can’t assume it will continue for ever.

    As for large scale manufacturing like cars, we’ll see. Investment is down, which will feed into jobs unless reversed. Maybe it will pick up when Brexit is resolved, maybe not. I think we’ll lose car jobs but you are right, it’s an opinion. As is yours that we won’t.
     
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  12. xbpod

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    I think the car job losses were always going to happen due the Japanese scaling back of production because of the global car sales dropping.
     
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  13. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    Fortunately there’ll be plenty of fruit picking jobs available
     
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    Don’t forget diesel, that’s another handy excuse.
     
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    Excuse or facts, you appear to be confused, perhaps a mid afternoon nap is in order, let these hard done by youngsters carry the load.
     
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  16. dbc

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    It's not the mortgage payments that are the issue it's the overall cost and deposit

    It would take first time buyers on average 8 years to save for a deposit for a house.

    And the 17% rate was 1 year in 1979 (though of course a great deal higher than today but likewise the savings also had greater interest rates which helps when saving for deposits)

    And as it's 6x the salary as opposed to the 2.8 x the salary when you're talking about people working 'a bit harder' you mean working twice as hard; so a 17 hour day.....

    Nobody is owed anything says generation house price rise...
     
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    I had to save from 1974 - 1981 for my first house, so not a lot has changed then, apart from once you have the house the repayments are lower now.
     
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    Mines based on the fact we haven't reached that timeline yet, yours is pure guessing and scaremongering.
     
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