Off Topic OLOF's political thread

Keep away from the Colombian woodbines ya daft ****

 

Ow that's a new one, the polls saying leave aren't proper grab hold of them straw's again.

 

Yes but the thick Jimmy Crankie hasn't worked out, the only party who would give them another referendum if in power are Labour, but the only way they could ever get a majority is if they take most of the seats off SNP

 

So, a deal is nearly done that both Boris and the EU are close to agreeing on.

I'm no solicitor, but analysing it, if Boris gets his deal passed by EU, but has it rejected by Parliament, this would mean Boris got his deal...........if Parliament rejects it, as the DUP and many remoaners may do, then Boris did his job and is therefore not bound to seek an extension, forced or otherwise.

 

Deal done with Boris and EU but DUP not on board and Benn Act is

Section 1 obliges the Prime Minister to request an extension to the Article 50 negotiating period for the purpose of negotiating a withdrawal agreement, unless the House of Commons has passed a motion which either approves a withdrawal agreement or approves departure without a deal, and the House of Lords has debated the same motion. If such a motion is not approved, the Prime Minister is obliged to make the request no later than 19 October 2019.

 

I wasn't stating a fact dumb dumb.

Benn Act doesn't override article 50 or EU law.

I like the word obliges.....................not must, not forced.

 

Lots of assumptions still being made.

Approving the "deal" is a formality with the EU. If it was somehow got (forced?) through the UK lower chamber, I don't think the Lords would even consider blocking it this time and it would be ratified for Oct 31st.

As a result, the Brexit party would die and Boris would win a landslide in a subsequent GE.

 

This is probably the raw version of the deal done between EU and UK.........but not Parliament.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/17...l-struck-between-eu-and-uk?fromBreakingNews=1

 

Does this mean that the Irish are our bitches?

 

Youtube version.

I personally believe this happened cos Boris stood his ground, made it quite clear we leave on 31st October and forced the EU to come to decisions.

The details are yet to be released which will tell if it's a brilliant deal or not, but, we leave lock stock and barrel on 31st October other than the new backstop arrangements.

If Parliament don't pass it then the onus is on their shoulders, however, I can understand why the DUP would reject it.

 

I suspect there are still underwater currents which could lead to a no deal Brexit.

 

They always have been but shhhhh

 

Michel Barnier talking about the agreement, but it's mainly about the Irish backstop.

Apologies Ell, didn't realise it was same as your post.

 

If DUP not on board will be surprised if he brings it to parliament as Labour will attach a 2nd ref amendment to it.

Nigel isn't buying it...

 

If he gets the deal through (which even so would be highly unlikely before Oct 31st but the electorate will forgive an extension for a deal for a month or so anyway) then he walks the GE but if he doesn't.....

 

JRM on the agreed deal between UK and EU.

 

Boris has given the greater concessions and unless he gets DUP on board or wins over some Labour MPs or whacks on a 2nd ref then we're not leaving on 31st October.

DUP def not fans of his 'great new deal'

 

He voted for May's treacherous deal so I'm suprised you would use him as your bellweather.

The spartans seem less keen

 

Johnson is to ask the EU summit this afternoon to make a declaration that there will be no extension granted beyond 31st October which will mean it's this new deal or a no deal Brexit.

 

I imagine he will, I'd be suprised if they granted that. They will surely consider that a matter for UK politics.