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[saintanton]

Two different situations.

First not every movement is forward.

alissons firdt movment is actually back to the 6 yard box beofre the ball is played, in anticipation. Alisson thrn moves lateral first as the angle is there.l and he has to cover the near post.

The forward takes a faux touch and he then moves out. He is on his 6 yard box.

Marmadashvilli has a guy bearing down from outside the box from miles out. He steps back to 6 yards as he also knows like alisson tjst the ball goes over his head if he goes out.

The first touch is outside the box. The second is yards away from marmadashvilli.

Now I dont think he did well. He got his legs miles apart and couldn't do a thing bit its a bit unfair to critique a guy who kept us in the game with 2 big saves in a situation where most keepers don't get to save it.

Again the forwards touches are far enough out that if you charged out st them he can go either side of you and hit the net. The angles are **** for a keeper.

I'd be fine with anyone slaughtering him for his presence aerially or for his passing.

This was a 5% chance of a save at best.

I don't want to keep on about this all night, but he backed off - and there's nothing at all to be gained from that.
Moving backwards, your momentum is wrong, your balance is wrong and you're just giving the striker more to aim at and a keeper unprepared to react.
The only way is to go to the player and try to make yourself as big as possible - try to block it or force him wide.
He got it wrong.
You can write as many essays as you want on it but it doesn't change that - it's pretty basic stuff. I can't say I've ever seen Ali retreat in a situation like that.
Please note I'm not having a go at Mamardashvili, just pointing out that in this situation he made an error of judgement.
However small the chance of a save was he made it smaller.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Obviously alisson is world.class and we will see a difference


Blaming him for a shocker of a team goal.cos he couldn't stop a one on one is not good.

Asking how ****ing dire is he with his feet that we ended up 5 up hoofing it is more reasonable and what I'd rather focus on there.[

My concern is how we let Kelleher go and replaced him with a far, far inferior keeper. Yeah, Kelleher had a year left on his contract, etc, but Ally only has two years left. And Kelleher was getting good game time due to Ally's poor fitness record.

Unlike you, though, my main gripe isn't Marmaduke's kicking - we were never going to replace Ally with anyone even close on that score, even Kelleher - but his woeful command of his six-yard line at corners, crosses, and set-pieces (including long throws nowadays). And, while there's nobody on the planet overall who is as good as Ally in one-on-ones (though Kelleher wasn't that far off from being second, albeit by some distance still from Ally), he hasn't done much to impress there either. But that was a bar that was unfair to expect anyone to jump over.

Yet I was hoping for a little better than a 6'7" Pickford-type stop-stopper - at that height, I thought we were getting Clemence on stilts when it came to the aerial stuff. He just seems like a lanky Kenneth Williams when crosses come in, truth be told.

 

[Bumps]

we have a painfully thin squad

I’m in total agreement with this
We got rid of too many this summer
Diaz wanted out - fine
Jota - terrible - nothing anyone could do

we should not have let Nunez go imho
I am no fan of Elliot but I prefer him to Jones
I prefer Hendo to Elliot and Jones to have in and around the squad

the new players were always going to need time
And the old ones need time to grieve

this season will be in the most a write off - they need our support this year

 

[johnsonsbaby]

A couple of things - Kelleher wanted to go for first team football rather than we let him go. Mama is new to the league and what's becoming seemingly every team's style of play ie set pieces and long throws.

I agree with you though that at this point, he's not as good as Kelleher.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I think the backup keeper is the least of our issues at the moment. If defence stopped letting players in 1v1 then might give him more of a chance. The gap to play that ball through was huge and Konate looked so sluggish getting back.

High line
no pressure on ball
only going to be 1 result.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I think the backup keeper is the least of our issues at the moment. If defence stopped letting players in 1v1 then might give him more of a chance. The gap to play that ball through was huge and Konate looked so sluggish getting back.

High line
no pressure on ball
only going to be 1 result.

It's not straightforward. For example the defence get some of their confidence from the keeper knowing that he will be directing them at some points in the game on position but also he's capable of stopping a shot should one get through. I don't think the defence has full confidence in the new keeper like they do with Alisson. Again not straightforward and he's not the main reason but all the losses bar Palace have been with him in goal.

 

[saintanton]

I think the backup keeper is the least of our issues at the moment. If defence stopped letting players in 1v1 then might give him more of a chance. The gap to play that ball through was huge and Konate looked so sluggish getting back.

High line
no pressure on ball
only going to be 1 result.

Just for the record - I'm not blaming him for the goal. I never said that I thought he should save it, just that by backing off he made it even harder for himself than it already was.
I agree that the defence is an shambles atm.

 

[saintanton]

I’m in total agreement with this
We got rid of too many this summer
Diaz wanted out - fine
Jota - terrible - nothing anyone could do

we should not have let Nunez go imho
I am no fan of Elliot but I prefer him to Jones
I prefer Hendo to Elliot and Jones to have in and around the squad

the new players were always going to need time
And the old ones need time to grieve

this season will be in the most a write off - they need our support this year

I agree with the sentiment regarding supporting the team, but I think it's way too early to go writing the season off.

 

[SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING]

I agree with the sentiment regarding supporting the team, but I think it's way too early to go writing the season off.

support the team, yes

zero chance of retaining our title though. I won’t write off Europe just yet but it needs to show improvement quickly.

 

[Uncle Colm]

I disagree with me.

 

[quinneristops]

Wasn’t it Alan Hansen who said you can’t win the league in October but you can’t lose it. I think we have shown that it’s possible to do that

 

[quinneristops]

Can lose it I mean

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Nobody can know the future but.many many people were desperate to tell us even 5 points was decisive last year.

The gap is 7. There is no indication it is not going to get bigger. 0/12 points is nothing short of disastrous for us.

However standards dictate you dont give up and you push every game.

Secretly though, 70 points is what we need now and really get more out of the cups.

Hiwever lfc standards were not followed last year once the title was won. Some here have pointed that out as a massive mistake on slots part. I have not followed that line as I said as much last season and as usual got torn into for being negative.

I do not believe that laxity last season ran into this par se. I believe day 1 in preseason we were being ran through so imo whatever it is as a root cause its not been resolved in 4 months of work.

People singling out players are not wrong be they media or whatever but its about all 11 on the park doing the right things or not.

Its fairly clear its gone badly wrong mentally. Im looking back to brighton and Brentford absolutely hammering us under klopp when the wheels came off for fabinho and Henderson etc. We are miles off the standards expected in every way amd have to find the means to get thst back with 2 games a week.

I believe its time to select an 11 and stick with it as much as injury allows and just work on it in games.

 

[Zanjinho]

Slot came in last season and everyone expected a transition season, a drop off. Most would have been happy with fourth. We won the league. How did we win the league? By sticking with an already established squad and methods. Now, the squad as been developed and we're seeing the changes that were expected to happen last season. But because Slot won the league in his first year, expectations have gone through the roof. Yes we spent a lot in the summer, but we were still outspent by others too. Things take time, the squad needs to settle and find some rhythm/form. It'll come.

I do share a concern about the massive hole in midfield though, Slot seems to keep ignoring it.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Slot came in last season and everyone expected a transition season, a drop off. Most would have been happy with fourth. We won the league. How did we win the league? By sticking with an already established squad and methods. Now, the squad as been developed and we're seeing the changes that were expected to happen last season. But because Slot won the league in his first year, expectations have gone through the roof. Yes we spent a lot in the summer, but we were still outspent by others too. Things take time, the squad needs to settle and find some rhythm/form. It'll come.

I do share a concern about the massive hole in midfield though, Slot seems to keep ignoring it.

It is i think an interesting one.

Nobody expected the team to win 11 draw 1 and lose just 1 in the first 13 last year and honestly the title was done.

The form then was 7-7-0 which wasnt title winning form and maybe something we should have paid more attention to long term. We couldn't keep that clean sheet or lead.

We then cantered to the title, lost to psg and looked tired. Arsenal fell apart.

Really the start to the season gave slot great kudos and time and it won the title by Christmas due to not really having a challenger.

Since we won the title the side has looked ****. We dismissed it and I got told how dare I even bring it up. Enjoy the party etc etc.

Its fine to enjoy the party when thr party is on. The party doesn't run for months before the trophy is handed out. Nobody wanted to hear aboit the issues.

Now we had a great start. Good fight but again couldn't defend worth a damn but fought to get late goals and win.

Finally the wheels have come off and we have injuries all over too.

Slots credentials and credibility are in question as a result. That massive hope where sides can run into all day is stark and just dropping wirtz wont close it.

Tactically im sure handing this squad to any number of managers would see a change in formation or emphasis and more use of the top talent.

I hair on at this bit of you've two top top 10s and 2/3 really attacking full backs it seems.madness not to find a way to exploit it.

4222 for me seems logical. 2 6s holding and let those full backs go. Just bomb on and let the 10s press up top. With the strikers (we have no wide pace so call the 4 forwards strikers and be done with it.)

Go 343 if you must but close the gaps.

 

[mighty_stevie_g]

Slot came in last season and everyone expected a transition season, a drop off. Most would have been happy with fourth. We won the league. How did we win the league? By sticking with an already established squad and methods. Now, the squad as been developed and we're seeing the changes that were expected to happen last season. But because Slot won the league in his first year, expectations have gone through the roof. Yes we spent a lot in the summer, but we were still outspent by others too. Things take time, the squad needs to settle and find some rhythm/form. It'll come.

I do share a concern about the massive hole in midfield though, Slot seems to keep ignoring it.

Yeah totally agree with this, the thing that's really concerning is that we don't 'stick with it' and learn the system or whatever he's trying to do.

It's like Robbo said - we're just throwing everyone forward and it goes chaotic. We're not getting any cohesion from that. You can lose games but see progress, we're not doing that right now as it's panic stations and silly decisions too early for me.

 

[Gerrardsitchyear]

Nobody can know the future but.many many people were desperate to tell us even 5 points was decisive last year.

The gap is 7. There is no indication it is not going to get bigger. 0/12 points is nothing short of disastrous for us.

However standards dictate you dont give up and you push every game.

Secretly though, 70 points is what we need now and really get more out of the cups.

Hiwever lfc standards were not followed last year once the title was won. Some here have pointed that out as a massive mistake on slots part. I have not followed that line as I said as much last season and as usual got torn into for being negative.

I do not believe that laxity last season ran into this par se. I believe day 1 in preseason we were being ran through so imo whatever it is as a root cause its not been resolved in 4 months of work.

People singling out players are not wrong be they media or whatever but its about all 11 on the park doing the right things or not.

Its fairly clear its gone badly wrong mentally. Im looking back to brighton and Brentford absolutely hammering us under klopp when the wheels came off for fabinho and Henderson etc. We are miles off the standards expected in every way amd have to find the means to get thst back with 2 games a week.

I believe its time to select an 11 and stick with it as much as injury allows and just work on it in games.

The swing has been crazy. We were 5 pts ahead of Arsenal at one point, now we're 7 behind!

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The swing has been crazy. We were 5 pts ahead of Arsenal at one point, now we're 7 behind!

0/12 v 12/12

One club on relegation form, one on title winning form.

 

[saintanton]

Yeah totally agree with this, the thing that's really concerning is that we don't 'stick with it' and learn the system or whatever he's trying to do.

It's like Robbo said - we're just throwing everyone forward and it goes chaotic. We're not getting any cohesion from that. You can lose games but see progress, we're not doing that right now as it's panic stations and silly decisions too early for me.

I said earlier in the season that I was puzzled by the change in tactics to last season. At the beginning of the last one we all noted how measured we were compared with the rather more cavalier attitude under Klopp - and it brought us the title. This season it all seems to have gone out of the window and we're so gung-ho at times we're making Klopp look more like Mourinho in comparison.
It's a strange transformation, and so far isn't coming off at all.

On a side note, it'll be interesting to see if Arsenal can manage to bottle it again, given that we've been so bad and City are still not back up to speed.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I said earlier in the season that I was puzzled by the change in tactics to last season. At the beginning of the last one we all noted how measured we were compared with the rather more cavalier attitude under Klopp - and it brought us the title. This season it all seems to have gone out of the window and we're so gung-ho at times we're making Klopp look more like Mourinho in comparison.
It's a strange transformation, and so far isn't coming off at all.

On a side note, it'll be interesting to see if Arsenal can manage to bottle it again, given that we've been so bad and City are still not back up to speed.

Anything can happen but there is so far no evidence of either club changing that much.

I'd take 2 points average right now and 70 points and move on. A cup would be ideal.