Oh DEAR ME Norwich and Cardiff charged

If Fer had any respect for his fellow professionals and sportsmanship he wouldn't of kicked that ball into the net. Regardless of what the rules say he was bang out of order. Simple

 

Not that I have brought this up before but as you lot keeping banging on about sportsmanship, how about defending Marshall hoofing the ball out the second Tettey hit the ground? Was that really to allow for treatment to him? I seriously doubt it, especially as Tettey was back on his feet before the ball crossed to touch line....and this is why I believe Fer did, what he did, as play had not been stopped for any treatment, but that's a side issue.What Marshall did however, was equally as sportsmanlike, and was a clear case of time wasting.Now I am not naive to think for one minute that you would accept that Marshall was trying to waste time, why would you? He's one of yours and Malky has already rejected claims of time wasting this season, but it was an unnecessary hoof, and that was the beginning of the farce. At best, what Marshall did was gamemanship.

 

Sorry Thai, maybe that was what Marsh was trying to do. i have no idea. But he has the ball in his hand and is bouncing it around and Tetty is rolling around on the floor like he's been shot. In the English game it is common perceived to kick it out when someone looks injured so no I don't think his aim was time wasting. Watch it again 1 hr and 15 in http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ggb5z/Match_of_the_Day_2013_2014_26_10_2013/

 

A bit inconclusive as it shows Tettey holding his ankle, with the ball in Marshall's hands, the next second the ball is in RVW's hands to take the throw, pity they skipped those few seconds, could have been a little more revealing.

From what a few of the guys that went to the game, and one just behind that part of the pitch, have made claims it was not warranted, but I do accept an element of bias maybe involved, as often happens with footy fans

 

Stretching it there Thai. Your guy was down. Time gets added for that kind of stuff anyway. Are you really trying to stretch the blame to Marshall?

It is clear you just do not want to say Fer was out of order , and he created the incident.

Should the umpire have let the goal stand? Yes. Did he cause the incident? No. Fer did and then carried on about how he would do it all over again in the press.

 

Not at all, the ref is where I have been pointing the finger for the last 6 days. He got it wrong, plain and simple (within the rules of the game). The outcome was right (a draw), but the very fact that both teams are being charged due to the ref's error, is a little harder to swallow, and that the PL and referee's are creating a smokescreen and denying any wrong-doing on his part.

I only raised the Dave Marshall involvement as I was getting slammed for saying the ref was wrong, and then being backed up by 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' or Leroy Fer, when by the rules of the game, he did nothing wrong!

Many people on here are only reading what they want to read, and believing only what they want to believe. I have conceded time and time again that Fer was unsporting, and to win that way would have been wrong. However, there is a huge reluctance on the part of Cardiff fans to acknowledge the difference between the rules on the game, and the unwritten rule that has been introduced, which IMO should be scrapped anyway.

Some are calling Leroy Fer a cheat - by the laws of the game - he did not cheat! Unsporting - yes, but not cheating.
Some have said along the lines of "I hope Norwich are relegated" off the back of this incident because he cheated! Laughable! No wonder you lot are always having run in with the Swans, you have poor about social skills or the rules of the game.

But, if you guys want to play the blame game, how about the reaction of the Cardiff players to the goal? They obviously don't know the rules either, and created the scene following it, instead of sitting back to see what the referee was going to do.

 

Thai - what little respect I had left for you as a poster is rapidly dwindling over this hobbyhorse your riding - that probabaly doesn't matter a toss to you, but there you go.

Like Swampy, I too have seen some of the expressions you've used on the Jack's board about Cardiff, and they blatently demonstrate your attempts to engratiate yourself with them. No problem with that, you say what you like over there, but don't come back here with your whining about something you don't like and expect a warm welcome.

You still wont accept that it was your player that caused the incident and not the referee whatever his decision after the event. You involving Marshall in the argument is a bloody joke and another pathetic attempt to deflect the blame.

The emotional reaction of the Cardiff players was no different to what we would have expereienced from your players if one of our guys had done it to you. So take your sanctimonious claptrap about how it was everybody elses fault except your player to your own board.

Spouting the laws of the game to justify a breach of an unwritten but accepted procedure between players and targeting the referee for his decision after the incident is diverting the attention from the unsporting and cheating player in your side.

As for wishing your club to be relegated, I'd only wish that on any club if it saved us from the fate. Having said that, we all have preferences for the drop, and Norwich has moved up my list.

 

The feeling is mutual OS, mostly because you keep coming back with - You still wont accept that it was your player that caused the incident and not the referee whatever his decision after the event. Read the rules old boy - there is no obligation to pass the ball to the opposing team - that is the bottom line, whether you like it or not. If you stop letting your blind loyalty for your team cloud your judgement, then you would see this too. As it is, you cannot or will not do that.

I will say it one last time - Neither Leroy Fer, or Norwich City broke the laws of the game, and if any of you can show me the FA rule that states otherwise, I will be more than happy to retract anything I have said to this point. If you can't do that, then learn to accept the fact

That aside, I have never said we should have won the game by having that goal allowed.

 

There you go again Thai. We are not talking about the bloody written rules of the game for Christ's sake.

This was a matter of a player NOT BREAKING THE WRITTEN RULES, but taking advantage of an UNWRITTEN RULE by unsportingly rolling the ball into the opposition net to win the game.

Stop blaming the ref and everyone else concerned in an attempt to deflect the blame for the whole incident from your own player's action.

 

Christ almighty! What I said above is true. Some people only read what they want to read. I have never defended what Leroy Fer did, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT - do you understand that sentence? If you do, then you can only agree that what I have said, that Fer did not break the laws of the game (THE LAWS) is true. Which is why I cannot see why you are arguing over it, it's stonewall withing the rules of the game.

If you agree to that, then you have to agree that Fer is not guilty of what you guys are saying, i.e - he did not cheat.

That is also why I have clearly stated that this 'agreement' should be scrapped, BECAUSE IT IS NOT BINDING, only open to the discretion of the referee and managers of the two teams.

 

Who on here has said that Fer broke any written rules?

 

I have been constantly slammed by you (and a few others) for what I have said, and now you are beginning to realise that you might actually have to agree with what I said at the outset - i.e Fer was not in the wrong, and was perfectly entitled to try his luck, and the referee did get it wrong, you are now trying to twist and turn to wriggle away from actually agreeing.

So it's unsporting, no one has argued that it wasn't, but being unsporting happens in every game, Cardiff were guilty as sin of it rather a lot on Saturday, with time wasting (not the first time that accusation has been made this season toward Cardiff, and almost certainly not the last).

I give up, I really do

 

Nobody is twisting and turning. The stance by the majority on this board including me has been constant. You are the one who's been constantly focusing on the referee for the whole thing rather than Fer.

Just re-read that previous post of yours. Of course he ****ing cheated!

He took advantage of our players waiting for the ball to be returned to them as would be the accepted procedure (NOT WRITTEN RULES) and rolled the ball into the net unopposed. The fact that there was no law against it doesn't detract from the fact the Fer was guilty of an unsporting action which was tantamount to cheating in the context of the game.

OK, so he was within the written rules - big deal.

If you want to get hung up on the wording, fair enough, but Fer is still a cheating bastard who tried to win the game by taking advantage of an accepted procedure.

You can spout all the rules in the book - it doesn't detract from the fact that Fer's actions were the cause of it all.

I see you're trying to get off the hook now on this one by citing "other Cardiff issues" etc. You are coming across as a total prick.

I suggest you do give up before you look really silly.

 

Don't worry Sparks, I wont bother coming back here for anything, you (not all Cardiff fans on here) are little better than the QPR lot, who like to spoil for a row, and then throw insults when they run out of intelligent conversation.

 

Ta ta - if you can't handle OUR opinions on OUR forum when you spout your biased crap over here, then good riddance.

 

I know this, if it had been our players that done that our board would have been invaded by others calling us all the cheats under the sun.
Marshall and Co. get called out for time wasting, as if it is on a par with what Fer done. The difference is other Teams time waste, only Norwich players take advantage of an accepted sporting behaviour, that led to directly to the incidents that followed.

Whether it was a legitimate goal or not shouldn't come into it, apportioning blame elsewhere shouldn't be necessary.

 

what a strange thread! you’ve all been going round the houses and i’m not sure why.

here’s what happened:

alex tettey goes down with a knock to the ankle, the ball ends up in david marshall’s hands. tettey then gets up and hobbles on. marshall, opportunistically, then decides to waste some time by unnecessarily launching the ball into touch. the game is NOT stopped at any point by the referee. a disagreement between ricky van wolfswinkel and leroy fer then happens, probably because van wolfswinkel wanted fer to knock the ball back to marshall near the corner flag so he could quickly close him down and he’d be away from his goal - that’s certainly what i would have done. the referee clearly waves play on and the ball is thrown to fer who strangely prods the ball, slowly, into the goal while marshall stands like a loon on the corner of his box, watching the ball trundling past him.

leroy fer does not celebrate, choosing instead to just walk away. at this point cardiff players, feeling aggrieved, run towards both the referee and fer, and a harmless but slightly embarrassing melee happens. the referee loses the plot at this point. at first he illustrates (by pointing to it) that he did not blow his whistle - this is irrelevant as he waved play on and never stopped the game, so no whistle was required. he then compounds the gaff by both disallowing the goal and awarding cardiff a throw in. that’s three mistakes in ten seconds - impressive!

whether or not you feel the game would have been brought into disrepute by the goal standing is also irrelevant. the referee has to abide by the laws of the game and the goal should stand. he cannot start making up rules, just to get out of a sticky situation!! the goal should have stood and it is then down to norwich as to whether they allow cardiff the opportunity to ‘walk one in’. i'd like to think they would have and i suspect we would but that is pure guess work and i wouldn’t have wanted us to, even though it would have been a horrible way to win.

i’ve not seen marshall criticised. why is this? marshall was blatantly time wasting. THIS IS CHEATING. yes tettey was injured but he was back on his feet and it is not down to players to referee the game - let the ref do it. mike jones was standing next to tettey and checked he was fine - he saw him get up, hence why he never stopped the game. marshall stopped the game. (tettey is out for six weeks with the injury by the way - he did not ‘feign’ injury as was posted earlier in the thread). fer was NOT CHEATING - he was unsportsmanlike and in the british game, players and fans abide by their own ‘fair play’ rule and take it very seriously. through nothing more than decency, fer should have passed the ball back. instead, he took advantage of the situation and has been privately reprimanded by chris hughton as a result of his actions.

the end result, that the goal didn’t win a game of football, was correct in my opinion, if only for the sake of fair play (scoring from that situation is worse than time wasting), but the way the decision came about was truly wrong. the fa had no choice but to demote the referee mike jones for making up his own rules. had leroy fer dived and won a penalty in the last minute and we scored, the goal would stand. you'd be upset, but it would not matter as the referee, though hoodwinked, would have followed the rules. both teams were fined for ‘failing to control their players’. it was handbags at worst but the fa always clamp down on anything that ‘looks bad’ like this as its viewed by so many people in numerous nations. again, correct decision. as it happens, mike jones probably did everyone involved a massive favour because i wouldn’t have liked to win a game of football in that manner and i sure as hell wouldn’t want to lose one! but the goal should have stood. if you think otherwise you need to read the rules.

case closed

 

How is tettey, doing ok is he, considering his injury was nothing.

 

On the face of it Pyjamaman, that's a very plausible post, but it is still open to question. I'm not arguing about the sequence of events, just the interpretation.

Depends what you mean by "cheating" pal. If you mean did Fer didn't because he didn't break any rules, then I agree with you - that's a pretty obvious standpoint.

On the other hand, if you mean he attempted to win the game by taking advantage of a universally agreed procedure in the PL and FL, then the bastard cheated.

It beats me when these visitors (in this case Thai) come on here to voice their opinions and get upset when they're challenged with opposite standpoints. What do they expect FFS!

As far as I'm concerned, if they don't like it, we can all either agree to disagree and just get on with it, or they can do one. Looks like Thai has done one - that's his choice and I wont lose any sleep over it.

 

Thai!
Your loyalty to Swansea and the love in you enjoyed a few seasons ago through promotion is blinding you to the obvious fella. Fer will carry the burden of being a cheat for the rest of the season for what he did. Sad to see you trying to defend such a football player.